ShotGunWorld Shotguns

It is currently Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:22 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Image



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:53 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:51 am
Posts: 1155
Competition I use combination of 1oz and 1.125

Practice I use 70% 3/4oz, 30% 7/8oz.

Practice makes me a better shooter, one, I don't get beat up with recoil, two I can see where my shot is. Back or front, center, gives me the info on leads. Granted these are reloads. I could care less about the money savings, it's practice that's important to achieve what I need to do....




Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:14 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
Posts: 2729
Location: Houston, TX USA
chips&clays wrote:
Competition I use combination of 1oz and 1.125

Practice I use 70% 3/4oz, 30% 7/8oz.

Practice makes me a better shooter, one, I don't get beat up with recoil, two I can see where my shot is. Back or front, center, gives me the info on leads. Granted these are reloads. I could care less about the money savings, it's practice that's important to achieve what I need to do....

Please explain what the light loads you use for practice have to do with seeing where your shot is. You aren’t loading tracer rounds, right?

_________________
Robert


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:29 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:51 am
Posts: 1155
Robert.
To answer your question. Less shot, less pattern. So in a sense takes more precision, if you take more fronts off, or backs, you learn about leads. Centering targets with less shot, gives me confidence shooting registered..


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:36 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
Posts: 2729
Location: Houston, TX USA
chips&clays wrote:
Robert.
To answer your question. Less shot, less pattern. So in a sense takes more precision, if you take more fronts off, or backs, you learn about leads. Centering targets with less shot, gives me confidence shooting registered..

Got it.

_________________
Robert


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:39 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:07 pm
Posts: 2326
lt0026 wrote:
Most flinches are caused by visual issues. Not recoil. Common causes are checking the barrel at the break point and covering (occluding) the target with the barrel then panicking causing a flinch. When you flinch you have a short circuit between the eyes and the hands. Not recoil. I know people who flinch with a .22.


Yep, I've tried to tell fellow shooters that and they go,,,,,,,huh, but it's true.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:59 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:51 am
Posts: 1155
Flinching is an issue hard to understand and to find the cause.
Recoil doesn't cause it. Slow moving targets and when the barrel gets into view with the target makes a flinch for a lot of Shooters. For me taking a different approach, don't take my eye off the target certainly helps....


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:19 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:12 am
Posts: 5714
Shoot low gun. I bet you won't flinch if you have a flinching problem. Routine can help with flinching. That's why release triggers work for some.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:05 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:12 am
Posts: 5714
4th. down wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
Most flinches are caused by visual issues. Not recoil. Common causes are checking the barrel at the break point and covering (occluding) the target with the barrel then panicking causing a flinch. When you flinch you have a short circuit between the eyes and the hands. Not recoil. I know people who flinch with a .22.


Yep, I've tried to tell fellow shooters that and they go,,,,,,,huh, but it's true.

I instructed firearms for 20 years in LE. We had some people flinching like crazy in dry fire drills. The visual issue with a pistol was they couldn't keep the sights clear (sight alignment) and the target fuzzy at the same time.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:31 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4692
Location: Ohio
As we get older or have more medical issues lighter loads keep us in the game. I’m not going to set the world on fire with my score anymore. But if I can do a shoot and enjoy myself; then a lighter load is a plus. I shoot 3/4 oz 12ga loads in registered events. Sometimes I put my tubes in and shoot 28ga loads.

It honestly hasn’t made a difference in my scores. Maybe it would if I were a Master Class shooter but I’d prefer to not have a headache and struggle through the last 6 stations.

To each his own.

Happy Shooting.

_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:39 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:34 pm
Posts: 6012
lt0026 wrote:
4th. down wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
Most flinches are caused by visual issues. Not recoil. Common causes are checking the barrel at the break point and covering (occluding) the target with the barrel then panicking causing a flinch. When you flinch you have a short circuit between the eyes and the hands. Not recoil. I know people who flinch with a .22.


Yep, I've tried to tell fellow shooters that and they go,,,,,,,huh, but it's true.

I instructed firearms for 20 years in LE. We had some people flinching like crazy in dry fire drills. The visual issue with a pistol was they couldn't keep the sights clear (sight alignment) and the target fuzzy at the same time.



Visual is one type.....but fear of recoil/muzzle blast is also very real. That’s been proven in LE/Mil training by using face masks and helmets. Both types are very real, and both types have remedies that can help.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:13 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:12 am
Posts: 5714
Shooting a moving target with a shotgun is different than shooting a static piece of paper with a handgun. Very different hand to eye coordination and visual sight picture. Shotgunning like sporting clays doesn't require a hard focus on the front sight and sight alignment. SC's requires a hard focus on the target, not sights.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:14 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:27 am
Posts: 8186
Location: Silicon Valley
What Rooster said ^^^

_________________
Jack
NSCA #617422

When the mind is right, the body will find a way...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:18 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:34 pm
Posts: 6012
lt0026 wrote:
Shooting a moving target with a shotgun is different than shooting a static piece of paper with a handgun. Very different hand to eye coordination and visual sight picture. Shotgunning like sporting clays doesn't require a hard focus on the front sight and sight alignment. SC's requires a hard focus on the target, not sights.


Well sort of....... but there are both types of flinches in every type of shooting.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 am 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:16 am
Posts: 974
No consensus on 7.5's vs 8's in these 7/8 oz. loads?

_________________
Have you hugged your shotgun today?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:10 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:12 am
Posts: 5714
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto ... 5&t=281111 Scroll down and see the response from AM.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:19 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 4692
Location: Ohio
DE wrote:
No consensus on 7.5's vs 8's in these 7/8 oz. loads?


I use all 7.5 shot

_________________
Image
http://www.ccgunstocks.com
[email protected]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpenters-Custom-Gunstocks-LLC/378909012204503


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:27 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:02 am
Posts: 2480
Location: KS
dcblvsh2 wrote:
DE wrote:
No consensus on 7.5's vs 8's in these 7/8 oz. loads?


I use all 7.5 shot


And I shoot 24g of 8s at everything; so, mostly a matter of personal preference and, at times, shot availability. Both 7.5 and 8 work better than I do.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:38 am 
Tournament Grade

Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:14 am
Posts: 140
Master class shooter told me practice with the same load and choke that you would use in a registered shoot.
But he said he would use 1 1/4 if it was legal.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:56 am 
Shooting Instructor
Shooting Instructor
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:19 pm
Posts: 2489
Location: Tampa Florida
I was shooting Ball Trap in France when the rule changed form 32 gm to 28 gm a 1/8 th reduction in payload.

The reason was that FFT was sick of too many 100/100 scores in competition leading to huge, time consuming shoot offs

So with the reduced payload the expected the number of perfect score to fall.

They did not, they INCREASED

Bear in mind that Ball Trap is a two shot game so some of those second shots are way out there.

Make up your own mind, bear in mind our guys when in the UK shoot 1oz and do quite nicely thank you

_________________
Roger Gascoigne
AMICSI, CPSA Certified Coach
NSSA Level 1 Skeet Instructor
Phone 813-907-7340
Check out our E-books on Amazon here
http://www.rogergascoigneshootingcoach.com/books.html


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Virtues of using 7/8's
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:12 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:12 am
Posts: 5714
If everyone uses the same payload or less in competition that's fine. But all things being equal, I don't want to shoot 7/8th when my competition is using 1 1/8th.




Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 75 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Registered users: AJ-M12, albanygun, bbush, Bigdog100, Bill M., Bing [Bot], birdhunter39, Byron Whitlock, casonet, Cfelix10, Cooper4141, Curly N, Curtisj1980, DanG, Denver1911, DesertMuleDeer, desmobob, df, dlh711, dolphin717, Drew Hause, fralic76, fullgallon, geometric, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], hopper810, icyclefar, jeffreyk, johnnie g, jsarmory, jwf1948, LUGNUTZ426, Malcolm7, McFarmer, Milkmaster, muddyduck33, oneounceload, P.Muerrle, PeterAVanTassell, piano2ner, pitandremington, prostockta, reedap11, rickeroo, Riflemeister, RMc, shacked, ShooterDave, SHughes, Specklebelly, Station9, sujumanji, Tailchaser, Tennessee Cattleman, timfost, trackerboy, VetEyeDoc, Vette Jockey2, Westender, Woodsie131


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group    - DMCA Notice