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 Post subject: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:02 am 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LN4n-pRQVY
Have a look at this video and notice the 'flick ' after the shot .
Have you ever seen anyone else do this , and why?




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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:05 am 
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Very noticable with the eye cam at about 50 seconds into the video.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:13 am 
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I catch myself doing that every once in a while and don't know why it happens. I feel a lot better now though since Bobby Fowler Jr. also does it :) However it doesn't seem to work for me as well as it does for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:05 am 
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Around here this is called the Beaumont flip or the afterwards pull away.

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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:53 pm 
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Sera ,
Thank You , that explains a lot. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:05 pm 
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I do this when I hold just before the break point and "catch" the bird.

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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:05 pm 
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Sal--Bobby is not really adding anything. This is just the way he gets his gun out of his face after the shot. It is not really pressed into his jaw not cheek.

Those doing the Beaumont flip are "adding" or not something after the shot is done and gone.

Beaumont is 100 miles from Houston and we shoot there all the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:45 pm 
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Last minute subconscious correction... OR just the fact that it is an old video with low resolution and by current standards it is poorly digitized so the recoil shows up on screen quicker than the sound of the shot does, that's why it is so much more noticeable in slow motion in eye-cam.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:32 am 
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NTxAg,
YOUR explanation does not explain that in the video the barrels 'flick' to the right .
The reason for asking the question is that I have noticed that it is fairly common.
Now I would like to know , is it a conscious effort to induce lead? What please is the explanation for the obvious visible 'flick'? Thank You all.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:31 am 
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The phrase I usually hear when discussing the flick is that the shooter "Fixed the shot". I've certainly done it and would have to say it is subconscious. Earlier in my clays days I would occasionally have the gun jump forward in my hands just before the trigger broke and I would crush the target. A three foot lead might have been "corrected" to a six foot lead. It was disappointing that I was that far off but impressive that something deep in my skull took over and made it right.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:33 am 
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Bobby Fowler shoots mainly intercept, going up to the line is easy to stop short or go over the top. I feel gun movement with intercept is more critical at the end than other methods used.. Movement extending to stay online - once the line is achieved...


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:51 am 
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salopian wrote:
NTxAg,
YOUR explanation does not explain that in the video the barrels 'flick' to the right .
The reason for asking the question is that I have noticed that it is fairly common.
Now I would like to know , is it a conscious effort to induce lead? What please is the explanation for the obvious visible 'flick'? Thank You all.


I think that this "flick" that you're seeing is a combination of recoil of the gun plus Fowler's movement of his cheek away from the comb. Personally, I don't think it's much "flick" at all.

I shoot with a shooter who has a very obvious DOWNWARD flick of the muzzle when he pulls the trigger. He's a pretty good shooter, too. He's not Bobby Fowler good, but a pretty darn good club shooter.

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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:58 am 
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chips&clays wrote:
Bobby Fowler shoots mainly intercept, going up to the line is easy to stop short or go over the top. I feel gun movement with intercept is more critical at the end than other methods used.. Movement extending to stay online - once the line is achieved...


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:33 am 
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Thank you all.
So, do you think that it is possibly an 'inertia' thing , an overthrow from the swing process ?
In the video posted above , Bobby's 'flick' is not so pronounced as shown in the earlier one , but there is a noticable gap after the shot has been made .
Maybe nothing to worry about if the shots are successful , but it certainly looks ugly and possibly unnecessary.


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 Post subject: Re: Muzzle flick at end of shot
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:27 am 
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It is a type of "flinch". Subconscious anticipation of recoil. I also believe that improper foot placement can make it worse as the shooters body approaches the "end of the line".




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