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 Post subject: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 am 
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I've heard a little about this, do people begin moving the gun the moment they say pull? Or does it mean something else? It was a chapter in a book by Schindler that I read. Really good book.




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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:54 am 
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Some shooters probably move the gun when they call pull, but it is a bad habit. You can't match gun speed to target speed if you move before you see the target.

It is more prevalent in skeet, but it isn't correct for any target presentation......unless you like to hear 'lost' a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:16 am 
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The thing to avoid is moving the gun backwards as you look towards the trap and call pull. Keep your gun steady at the hold point while you look back towards the trap.


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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:27 am 
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Not something I like to do but occasionally have to on a very fast target in a tight window. It is critical to be on the target line or the outcome is going to be ugly

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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:29 am 
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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:07 am 
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it all depends on the target and what that target is doing, and what the move the mount and shot look like, and how much time I have on the target.

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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:27 am 
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Two schools of thought on it. Some start their move on the call -- Cherry says he does but doesn't commit until he sees the target. That kind of control seems to me like it probably took him a while to perfect. Ash says he starts his move as he calls when he needs to challenge a target, but doesn't use the tactic for every target. Others start their move on the flash, a-la Carlisle and AM.

In FITASC you are not allowed to move your gun until you see the target, but no rule against it in sporting or 5-stand. (Don't know about AFS.) I shoot enough FITASC and am too limited in IQ to have two different move methodologies to try and perfect, so I'm in the move-on-the-flash camp since it's legal in both games. But then perhaps I'm also missing out on a good tactic...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:52 am 
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Move on the flash. To stay loose in the gun hold position I open and close my grip on the forend.

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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:54 am 
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I think it can also mean moving your eyes.

I subscribed to the quiet eye technique, but sometimes my eyes start searching for the target as I call pull, usually results in a lost target. Really guilty of this on rabbit targets.

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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:05 am 
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I believe Gebbin Miles defines anticipation as "taking your foot off the brake". In other words, when you first see the flash begin a slow move as you would at a stop light just as the light turns green.


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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:08 am 
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Good practice when shooting, when I shoot by myself, stations has a timer to get ready for the shot. I don't move until target is thrown..


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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:05 am 
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When the trap is visible, I personally look at the target coming off of the arm and look for detail as soon as humanly possible. If it’s close, I want to see rings, if it’s not, I am looking for anything that catches my eye, like reflection from the sun off of the target.

If you don’t start moving your gun when the target is in it’s flight path, then the later you start, the less time you have to 1) cut the bird off comfortably and insert and 2) match speed of the target and sync up with it.

The later you start that process, the less time you have, period. Sometimes you have more time and sometimes you do not. As a standard practice, your eyes should be hungry for detail and will tell the hands what to do, not the other way around, at least for those shooting at a high level. In the beginning, you have to teach the hands what to do first, and then the eyes.

No absolutes. Some high level shooters absolutely do not look directly at the trap and look beyond it. Each shooter needs to find what works for them and practice it and bring it with you on game day.


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 Post subject: Re: anticipating the target
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:33 pm 
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1958jr wrote:
The thing to avoid is moving the gun backwards as you look towards the trap and call pull. Keep your gun steady at the hold point while you look back towards the trap.


This was one thing my ShotKam videos revealed to me—moving the gun before the call or not being precise in holdi g the gun at the hold point along the flight path. I’d see it jump around or start well below the target, go up vertically then add a lot of gun speed to catch it. Surprise to me, I was more often shooting in front.




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