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 Post subject: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:56 am 
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I am looking for one gun that can shoot all 4 gauges 12,20,28,and .410. I am looking for barrels sets not tube sets. I’d like all of the configurations to have the same weight. Which guns out there allow for this option?




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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:20 am 
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Tmassey520 wrote:
I am looking for one gun that can shoot all 4 gauges 12,20,28,and .410. I am looking for barrels sets not tube sets. I’d like all of the configurations to have the same weight. Which guns out there allow for this option?
I recall when I used to go to the Grand American trapshoot when it was in Vandalia, Ohio, I'd always visit the Perazzi store there. They always had multiple models of Perazzi O/U sets in all 4 gauges. They were displayed in such a way that you could shoulder them if you wanted (I did). Prices for the sets were also displayed. All were $400,000+.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:32 am 
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I have seen 680-series Beretta and Browning Citori in 4-barrel sets; price ranged from four or five thousand to north of 16.

The easiest way to do it will be with a Blaser F3. Sub-gauge barrels drop in, and barrel weight is a reasonable match. Swing dynamics differ between gauges, but the difference isn't distractingly huge. Barrels are about $3500 per set new - above the initial price of the gun.

(edited for spelling)


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:37 am 
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I really enjoy the sub-gauges so ended up with the F3. Love it!

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:49 am 
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mwr01 wrote:
I have seen 680-series Beretta and Browning Citori in 4-barrel sets; price ranged from four or five thousand to north of 16.

The easiest way to do it will be with a Blaser F3. Sub-gauge barrels drop in, and barrel weight is a reasonable match. Swing dynamics differ between gauges, but the difference isn't distractingly huge. Barrels are about $3500 per set new - above the initial price of the gun.

(edited for spelling)


From what I’ve read you can get all the gauges in a 680 receiver the smaller gauges won’t reset the triggers on the 12ga frame


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:04 am 
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Tmassey520 wrote:
mwr01 wrote:
I have seen 680-series Beretta and Browning Citori in 4-barrel sets; price ranged from four or five thousand to north of 16.

The easiest way to do it will be with a Blaser F3. Sub-gauge barrels drop in, and barrel weight is a reasonable match. Swing dynamics differ between gauges, but the difference isn't distractingly huge. Barrels are about $3500 per set new - above the initial price of the gun.

(edited for spelling)


From what I’ve read you can get all the gauges in a 680 receiver the smaller gauges won’t reset the triggers on the 12ga frame


There were '80s/'90s-vintage factory-built skeet sets that ran reliably from 12 through .410. Sub-gauge is not my thing; so, I do not know how Beretta addressed the reset issue.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:28 am 
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Briley can rework the triggers to reset with .410. Kolar can convert them to mechanical, but i don't know if they will do it unless you buy sub gauge tubes from them. I suspect coles can rework the triggers as well.

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:11 am 
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You can get this from Perazzi, Krieghoff, and Browning right off the shelf. I am certain other manufacturers have 4-barrel set offerings as well.

PS: A *LOT* of shooters do not like seeing the thinner 28 and 410 barrel profiles in their sight-pictures and prefer a dedicated carrier and tubes for that reason. Just sayin.

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:17 am 
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I know of a four barrel Browning Superposed Skeet set for sale: 26” barrels all skeet choked. It is in excellent condition. Send a PM if interested. The gun is in Missouri

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
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I have now and have in the past own4d many 4 barrel sets and do like them. In most cases the wieght between gauges is approximately the same, but not exact not is the balance exactly the same, though you could handle that with barrel weights like I use on my Guerini Barrel set. The once difference you may or may not notice is the visual you get looking over the different barrels. I have one set with barrel shrouds on the first about 1/3 of the barrel all the same dimention as the 12 gauge barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:29 am 
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Blaser F3 barrels are plug and play. You don't have to buy them all at the same time. You can order each barrel as you see want. No need to have them fitted. The mechanical trigger requires no work to shoot 410. I really like my barrels for ease of use and they aren't as picky about ammo as tubes can be.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:25 am 
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Try this.

https://www.claytargetsports.com/Guns-F ... -Luxe.aspx


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:36 am 
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Halwg wrote:


That's a hell of a deal. Even used, the 3 sub gauge barrels are worth around $8K.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:12 am 
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872235336

You didn't ask for this type of reply, so ignore it if you want to. But you are seeing why shooters of all 4 gauges use subgauge tubes. An O/U with carrier barrel and 12, 20, 28 and 410 tubes will be close to each other in weight, and you will be swinging the same-ish barrel with each gauge.

Older technology guns like the 3200 above or the Citori sets are pretty expensive for what you get, in my opinion. The Citori's are also 26 inch barrel skeet sets.

Blaser F3, $7,000 plus $10,500 for three more barrel sets, yikes! And I don't believe the 28 gauge and 410 Blaser barrels will feel like the 12 gauge.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:51 am 
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dmarbell wrote:
An O/U with carrier barrel and 12, 20, 28 and 410 tubes will be close to each other in weight,



Or in some cases exactly the same weight.

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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:58 am 
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dmarbell wrote:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872235336

You didn't ask for this type of reply, so ignore it if you want to. But you are seeing why shooters of all 4 gauges use subgauge tubes. An O/U with carrier barrel and 12, 20, 28 and 410 tubes will be close to each other in weight, and you will be swinging the same-ish barrel with each gauge.

Older technology guns like the 3200 above or the Citori sets are pretty expensive for what you get, in my opinion. The Citori's are also 26 inch barrel skeet sets.

Blaser F3, $7,000 plus $10,500 for three more barrel sets, yikes! And I don't believe the 28 gauge and 410 Blaser barrels will feel like the 12 gauge.


Blaser barrels come with weight kits. The 28 gauge and 410 barrels are heavier than 12 so you add less weight. I matched the the sub-gauge barrel weight to the twelve gauge. If they weigh the same, have the same balance point, and are the same length, they will feel the same. They do look different. Some folks, particularly skeet shooters, don't like that. To each his own.

I compared the cost of buying a barrel, converting it to a carrier barrel, and adding Briley full length fitted tubes. That is the right way to do it and it is a good solution. It depends on which gun you buy, but the cost of of making the carrier barrel, having it fitted, and adding the tubes is not inexpensive. Kreighoff barrels are over $6000. There is no cheap answer.


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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:27 pm 
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Briley side kicks would be an option but require brass headed ammo, re: Winchester AA, Remington STS, etc. I have an older set of rhino stingers which are similar to the side kicks and they have worked perfectly with very little change in balance.
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 Post subject: Re: All 4 gauges in one gun
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:42 pm 
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http://www.gunsunlimitedomaha.com/default.aspx

Scroll down the main page to the sixth picture/page.
$5,495.00 New 4-barrel set.



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