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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:12 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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I identify as M-class Monday through Thursday, and AA on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

But seriously, I agree with referring to the specific letter class.

You could maybe title the classes differently, as I do for example with my training clients - General Prep, Trainer 1, Trainer 2, Trainer 3, Trainer 4... - so that there's no association with an academic grade, but that's really not a good enough reason imo. Though it may feel better to not be called an E classer, the same shooters that rub it in your face now, will do it later no matter how shooters are subdivided and described.

Probably best for everyone to focus on being a better shooter. Less ego attachment to classification, more focus on becoming skilled. The classification will take care of itself, and then the groupies shall flock to you.

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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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SirSkeetsALot wrote:

Probably best for everyone to focus on being a better shooter. Less ego attachment to classification, more focus on becoming skilled. The classification will take care of itself, and then the groupies shall flock to you.


All of that's true.

But it's not the point here.


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Mule Driver wrote:
SirSkeetsALot wrote:

Probably best for everyone to focus on being a better shooter. Less ego attachment to classification, more focus on becoming skilled. The classification will take care of itself, and then the groupies shall flock to you.


All of that's true.

But it's not the point here.


Had a longer post, but George pretty much sums up my feelings. "Minimally exceptional" sounds like a good replacement for "lower class".


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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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Mule Driver wrote:
SirSkeetsALot wrote:

Probably best for everyone to focus on being a better shooter. Less ego attachment to classification, more focus on becoming skilled. The classification will take care of itself, and then the groupies shall flock to you.


All of that's true.

But it's not the point here.


True. But before that comment, I mentioned that my vote goes to addressing the skill level of a shooter by their specific class. That would be better than sweeping everyone under AA into "lower class". Or, you could call them aspiring M-classers (but maybe they aren't). What you quoted was subsequent musing.

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[/quote] OK, let me axe you 'sumptin.

How would a minor league player like being referred to as a "lower class" baseball player?

Does that sound right to you?[/quote]

I don't care,You can't worry about what others think/say about you and I have more important things besides wondering if someone gets their feelings hurt with the comment "lower class" Gezzz Louise as a famous scholar has said numerous times "Shut up and Shoot"
The few times someone asked what my Class was I in I'd just say "for folks that know me I have no Class" :wink:

:lol: :lol: Have FUN and shoot well folks {hs# See Y'all around the Farm

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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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Get rid of all classes and give participation punches to everyone.


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Get rid of all classes and give participation punches to everyone.


Or go backwards- put EVERYONE in M class and the numbers will take care of themselves,can't make the grade auto down grade and keep dropping folks until they can meet the requirements to stay or start moving back up.

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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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I am a new registered shooter and therefore a "lower class" shooter. I don't really have any problem with that terminology....i do think there a too many classes without enough separation of skill levels between classes.

If I were building from scratch I would probably have a classification system like:

Novice
Intermediate
Advanced
Elite (or Masters)

Since the current classification system has a long history i don't have any issue keeping the letters.


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hopper810 wrote:
snooky wrote:
Get rid of all classes and give participation punches to everyone.


Or go backwards- put EVERYONE in M class and the numbers will take care of themselves,can't make the grade auto down grade and keep dropping folks until they can meet the requirements to stay or start moving back up.




That's the best idea i've ever heard. No refusals. Water seeks it's own level.


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To me, everyone’s just a ‘shooter’. If specific class questions come up, then I’d use the appropriate class for anyone.


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OK, let me axe you 'sumptin.

How would a minor league player like being referred to as a "lower class" baseball player?

Does that sound right to you?



And yet they are called Minor League players

Get rid of the narcissistic Master Class name and go with 4 - A, B, C, D - period; or better yet, go back to the way it was before with NO classes. There was a Lewis payout but otherwise you just showed up and did your best and saw where you placed on that particular day in that particular moment on time.

I think anyone of us has had those days when you couldn't hit the side of the barn from the inside and those where everything was a garbage can lid in slow motion

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 Post subject: Re: A better way to refer to Shooters in A, B, C, D, or E Cl
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Or we could classify shooters by performance, using their tournament averages... and we could let the scores shot at a tournament determine the relative difficulty of the course... and we could get rid of those expensive punches and concentrate on performance.

Nah, that would never work. You'd still have some putz rag on his friend "I can't believe you missed that, what is your average, 63?" as the squad busts out laughing... except for the new guy in the back struggling with an average of 60.

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The current system only rewards good shooting and turns a blind eye to poor performance. The sub gauge rule coming out in 2021 is a start in the right direction. Those that are capable will punch right back up one class. No matter what class. What the Dr talks about sounds like NPA.


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Two separate questions here:

1. How should we name the classes?
2. How should classification be determined?

1. is completely inconsequential.
2. isn't going to change as long as NSSA is profiting from status quo.


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OMG!!

This sounds like a Democratic Convention......more worried about stupid stuff rather than the task at hand......

I think we really need to tackle fixing Master Class. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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I get what Mule is saying. It really came about from the other thread (which stated lower class) about gaining, keeping traction on aspiring shooters. Though as experienced reg and participating shooters it doesn't mean much to us.....but it does to them, and frankly whether anyone wants to admit it or not...many of us.

Where is the line.....lower class drawn? A class.....good shooting there. Lesser, lower? Same cow, just different cuts. I'd say, refer as A-E.

Folks do get hung up on letter titles. Heck, IMO the term "Master" really muddies up the pond. Using the term Master puts a different connotation to the level than say, AAA. I'm in Master class, but more a AAA shooter thinking of guys like Zach, Anthony and so on. Those guys....are Masters.


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The current system only rewards good shooting and turns a blind eye to poor performance. The sub gauge rule coming out in 2021 is a start in the right direction. Those that are capable will punch right back up one class. No matter what class. What the Dr talks about sounds like NPA.

I knew someone would remember.... :wink:



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