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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:09 am 
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Someone once asked Digweed how he learned to hit a certain target. Digweed's response was "Well I missed a lot of them"
Simple solution, move up until you can hit it consistently. Move back a couple of paces and do it again and so on.......




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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:42 am 
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Get another shooter behind you that you can trust, so he can see the muzzle movement of the gun to make sure you are tracking correctly/ staying on line with the target movement, and where you are not putting the pattern on the target (if consistent, or all over the map on the misses isntead). Hence gun may be set up higher POA for rising targets so you don't have to bury the bead, and you may just be blowing over the top with POI on the dropping target instead. Or could be wrong footing, and just running out of swing instead.

Also, double check your pitch angle on the butt plate. Hence with trap guns, and even skeet guns since the target is always going to be a higher one, you set the pitch angle up so the butt plate is flush with the shoulder for those angles. Back over at sporting this is not going to work, since you have angles where the targets are both upwards, and downwards isntead. So when setting up the butt plate pitch angle for just high targets, it needs to be set up for a slightly more downward gun angle for the natural pitch between the max different angles. From here, you can work with some body movement at needed, to keep the butt plate flat against your shoulder during the swing/to keep the swing smooth on tracking, and clean recover on for the second shot as well.

Moving along, work on the POA verse POI on the gun. Hence you set the gun up higher POI like for trap, that works for skeet as well (gun shooting about 18" high at 35 yards), and when you have a low screamer that is dropping and farther away than most of the other targets (gun shooting even higher on the longer targets), very, very likely to blowing over the top, with not enough daylight between the bead and target instead.

To sum it up, without someone standing behind you to see the mistake(s) (and if consistent or not with shot placement), really a stab in the dark. I could be anything on your part in regards to form/stance with ending up shooting off your back foot, just not seeing the correct lead/ bead day light needed, or many even a gun set up problem that is causing the problem that you have yet to figure out.
Also, make sure that the person that is standing behind you, is semi open in reason to the form you are shooting. Hence in sporting, then are some target that just need to be spot shot or pull through since that is all the time your going to have with the target, and if all they know is substantiated lead, will tend to hark on that, isntead of seeing the real problem/shot placements off target isntead.


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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:20 am 
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Reminds me of the first time shooting a Rabbue. Probably shot a case of shells inconsistently at it over several practice sessions. Does anyone think a Shotkam would aid you in learning when you just get one of those targets that leave you shaking your head?


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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:27 am 
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Boomhand wrote:
Reminds me of the first time shooting a Rabbue. Probably shot a case of shells inconsistently at it over several practice sessions. Does anyone think a Shotkam would aid you in learning when you just get one of those targets that leave you shaking your head?

No tool would be better.

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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:35 am 
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I do. My experience is that the Shotkam is most useful for situations like this. While it can't fix the problem, it usually shows exactly what the problem is.


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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:23 am 
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It is surprising how good just plain cell phone videos can be. Had a friend having issues with a rabbit.

Another guy stood behind him and took video. you can slow it down, speed it up, etc., and it was clearly evident he was waaay over leading the target.

You could see the shot hit the ground, the cloud of dust, the rabbit going through it (which in real speed made it look like he shot behind it)

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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:57 pm 
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In situations like this, where I try all kinds of leads and methods and nothing works, it has always been the line. Something is probably fooling you into shooting under or over it. Try the old trick of tearing out the top and bottom of a shell box and use that as a viewfinder to look at the clay in your intended kill point. You might be surprised to find that it's either rising or dropping much harder than you thought. Check the target line before and after your kill point too, it might be better there.

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 Post subject: Re: How to fix this???
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:59 pm 
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Feeeetask! wrote:
In situations like this, where I try all kinds of leads and methods and nothing works, it has always been the line. Something is probably fooling you into shooting under or over it. Try the old trick of tearing out the top and bottom of a shell box and use that as a viewfinder to look at the clay in your intended kill point. You might be surprised to find that it's either rising or dropping much harder than you thought. Check the target line before and after your kill point too, it might be better there.

That is what I meant by being fooled by the terrain into thinking the clay is doing something isn’t.



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