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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:51 am 
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You would still be using those people and they would use the tablets. That would be an added expense for everyone. Most clubs don't have capital reserves to finance the new scoring equipment. They would need to finance it, figure in the bank interest also. This on top of trap replacement/maint, new trap batteries, stand upkeep etc. Some people need to get a clue. Some people need to go to the Promatic site and see the cost of a new motor, gearbox or throwing arm. And then hope you can fix/install it yourself.




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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:02 am 
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Pistol match different animal. Few scoring points limited geography. Probably cost 5 % compared to sporting.

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:09 am 
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Bass3 wrote:
Pistol match different animal. Few scoring points limited geography. Probably cost 5 % compared to sporting.

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What a bass, you're wrong on almost every account. But I sure enjoy seeing, you geezers all riled up over technology :)

Now get off my lawn you young whipper snappers.

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:14 am 
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We aren't shooting a piece of cardboard or paper in a dirt/sand pit.


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:30 pm 
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There are some obvious differences to how the CPSA run registered shoots and how you do over in the USA.

First of all, there are no score your own registered shoots they have to be run with referee/trapper.

The CPSA already provides the shoot program for free to all registered grounds, when you first sign on they will enter your CPSA number in the program and it will give them your current classification and details.

This is all done either by real time if the ground has internet or updates whenever the laptop logs onto the CPSA server.

At the moment score cards are entered into the shoot program manually as they come in and this is displayed real time on a monitor in the club house and the scores sent to the CPSA as soon as it connects to the internet or via email attachment.

All they are now adding is the ability to put this program on laptop, desktop or tablet for a variety of operating systems so as soon as the tablets etc. connect to the main computers LAN (local area network) or the internet they will sync with the future ability to use mobile data.

So for the CPSA it’s just a bit of coding to a program they already supply to all registered grounds so they are not going to be bothered if it doesn’t take off.

For the championships as long as they bring the tablet into the club house at some point it will sync so no need for extended wifi or internet just wifi network in the club house,this will make life a lot easier on big shoots and stop any altering of score cards.

I shoot registered grounds where I can definitely see this being used and I shoot grounds where there is no chance at the moment. But all the grounds use a laptop and the shoot program so they might be tempted.


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:41 pm 
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I think the thing I find most amusing about you geezers crying about technology, is that you're using a tablet, desktop, or phone to do it.

To quote Captain Kirk, irony can be pretty ironic sometimes :)

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:32 pm 
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You know, you can't do anything when you don't think you can.

When there is a will there is a way.

I don't believe that electronic scoring is for every club all the time, as things stand today. But I don't really believe it is above the means of a lot of clubs and if nothing else it would make things a lot easier, faster and more accurate for the folks keeping, recording and reporting scores.

You naysayers should have to try and read scorecards to post the scores for 2 events, you would be screaming for the electronics.

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:44 pm 
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Most of those sloppy cards are from SYO shoots. Too many people handling cards and making mistakes. And people do make mistakes entering data on a computer. And who trains all these shooters at SYO? Where does the tech help come from out in the field? Most clubs are stretched just keeping traps running. Expensive solution looking for a problem. Shooters can keep your own score electronically. Sell me on this. Give me some real numbers and how a club, not just anxious shooters will benefit from it? When will the club see it's ROI?


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:56 pm 
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When will the club see it's ROI?


Well I have asked and all Brad seems to do is replay with snarky BS that has nothing to do with the questions I asked. So, I would take that as "never" for a small club throwing 1 shoot per month maybe 8-10 times a year.

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You naysayers should have to try and read scorecards to post the scores for 2 events, you would be screaming for the electronics.

So why hasn't Winscore, ScoringPro or Score Chaser adopted these for when they go to the big events? Sure would make Lois and others time a lot easier from all of your statements?

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:13 pm 
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Sloppy scorecards is why we run master sheets. And as 1 oz knows you sign for your score in FITASC. And 5 Stand some times. Some people are big spenders of someone else's money. Get some skin in the game Brad.


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:38 pm 
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ysr_racer wrote:
I think the thing I find most amusing about you geezers crying about technology, is that you're using a tablet, desktop, or phone to do it.

To quote Captain Kirk, irony can be pretty ironic sometimes :)


If we still used rotary dial phones......your fingers would be strong enough to hang onto the lunch check.:-)


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:08 pm 
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Are some of you folks skeet shooters from the NSSA side of things.

Do you actually whine and grumble this much when you shoot Sporting Clays?

Do you really have that many problems with electronics?

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:16 pm 
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You and Brad are still stuck on it being electronic and have yet to answer about the COSTS associated with it.
Here it is AGAIN:
HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST?
So, if my local club wants to use this system for their monthly shoot they would need 28 of these tablets at a minimum, regardless of whether or not they used trappers - which if they did would mean my monthly shoot would cost me more than the US Open. so AGAIN, how does this benefit a small club where monthly shoots average maybe 50-60 shooters?

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:46 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
You and Brad are still stuck on it being electronic and have yet to answer about the COSTS associated with it.
Here it is AGAIN:
HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST?
So, if my local club wants to use this system for their monthly shoot they would need 28 of these tablets at a minimum, regardless of whether or not they used trappers - which if they did would mean my monthly shoot would cost me more than the US Open. so AGAIN, how does this benefit a small club where monthly shoots average maybe 50-60 shooters?


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:50 pm 
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I don't recall saying EVERY GOD DAMN CLUB IN THE WHOLE ****ING COUNTY HAD TO ABSOLUTELY USE ELECTRONIC SCORING ON EVERY GOD DAMN COURSE THEY HAVE.

I asked the question, why haven't we seen it yet.

The cost, easy, take the number of stations in the main event, add two, times a hundred bucks per tablet.

THE SOFTWARE IS FREE !!

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:32 pm 
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So tell me how you get a good wireless internet connection out where some of these clubs are located? Cellular networks are spotty at best over terrain and remote locations. Probably need omni directional antennas. You will need a long range communication system. It's more than just tablets. And you need full coverage when courses are reset.


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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:28 pm 
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ysr_racer wrote:
I don't recall saying EVERY GOD DAMN CLUB IN THE WHOLE ****ING COUNTY HAD TO ABSOLUTELY USE ELECTRONIC SCORING ON EVERY GOD DAMN COURSE THEY HAVE.

I asked the question, why haven't we seen it yet.

The cost, easy, take the number of stations in the main event, add two, times a hundred bucks per tablet.

THE SOFTWARE IS FREE !!


So a club with two courses would need 28-30 tablets @ 100 each. Plus additional as back up, and possibly for 5-stand and FITASC

As to why it isn't being used, have you asked your state/national delegates why NSCA hasn't implemented it for Nationals, US Open etc.?

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:43 pm 
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So tell me how you get a good wireless internet connection out where some of these clubs are located? Cellular networks are spotty at best over terrain and remote locations. Probably need omni directional antennas. You will need a long range communication system. It's more than just tablets. And you need full coverage when courses are reset.


Oy vay, it's like I'm speaking Chinese.

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:45 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
ysr_racer wrote:
I don't recall saying EVERY GOD DAMN CLUB IN THE WHOLE ****ING COUNTY HAD TO ABSOLUTELY USE ELECTRONIC SCORING ON EVERY GOD DAMN COURSE THEY HAVE.

I asked the question, why haven't we seen it yet.

The cost, easy, take the number of stations in the main event, add two, times a hundred bucks per tablet.

THE SOFTWARE IS FREE !!


So a club with two courses would need 28-30 tablets @ 100 each. Plus additional as back up, and possibly for 5-stand and FITASC

As to why it isn't being used, have you asked your state/national delegates why NSCA hasn't implemented it for Nationals, US Open etc.?


How much does Lois charge? How much does Casey charge? Are the free?

Again, what's the roi on flush toilets? Buckets out back are much cheaper.

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 Post subject: Re: Brad - Electronic scoring coming to the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:04 pm 
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Not saying this is the equipment you want, but it shows the technology is out there.



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