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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:44 pm 
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Appreciate the lessons in theory guys but AA SS 1oz 1290s are less pleasant to shoot than gun club 1 1/8 @ 1145. Am interested in what loads folks perceive to be softer. Shape of the curve, whatever.




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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:55 pm 
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B&P. Sure, different shells with the same load and velocity provide the same recoil energy. However, the time period over which that energy delivers makes a difference. And I believe it can be felt. That’s why an auto feels like it has less recoil than a double. It delivers the recoil impulse over a longer period of time.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 pm 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
Appreciate the lessons in theory guys but AA SS 1oz 1290s are less pleasant to shoot than gun club 1 1/8 @ 1145. Am interested in what loads folks perceive to be softer. Shape of the curve, whatever.

We have been telling you: reliably softer loads are 1 oz at 1180. It is the softest standard 12 ga load that isn’t an outlier like 7/8 oz or subsonic.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Which blue car is faster?

The red one.

Which 1 1/8 oz load is softest?

The 1 oz one.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:07 pm 
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Herter's 1 1/8 ounce at 1050 fps is the softest recoiling 1 1/8 ounce load I've ever shot. I've still got 4 or 5 flats of them left in my stash. Sweet! :D :D

The next softest is the Remington Premier STS 1 1/8 ounce at 1100 fps. These cost considerably more than the Herter's mentioned above. I've got only a couple boxes of these left, but have shot several flats of them. Excellent, high quality loads.

Third place is a tie between the Estate 1 1/8 ounce at 1145 and several others of the same advertised velocity and weight such as Federal. I've shot a ton of these, but they do have a bit more kick than I like to shoot on a regular basis, but for the occasional "reach out and touch 'em" loads, they work very well.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:20 pm 
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Denver1911 wrote:
Which blue car is faster?

The red one.

Which 1 1/8 oz load is softest?

The 1 oz one.



Remarkable isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:55 pm 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
Appreciate the lessons in theory guys but AA SS 1oz 1290s are less pleasant to shoot than gun club 1 1/8 @ 1145. Am interested in what loads folks perceive to be softer. Shape of the curve, whatever.


1 oz @ 1290 fps - 19 ft/lbs of recoil
1 1/8 @ 1150 fps - 18.9 ft/lbs of recoil

:shock:

BTW - Sometimes 1 1/8 ounce is just plain better. Know any Bona Fide 27 yard trapshooters using 1 ounce from the fence?


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:33 am 
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If recoil is an issue and you wish to shoot loads with some pop try a gas gun or have your O/U equipped with recoil reduction. Fit is everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:09 am 
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Ulysses wrote:
Herter's 1 1/8 ounce at 1050 fps is the softest recoiling 1 1/8 ounce load I've ever shot. I've still got 4 or 5 flats of them left in my stash. Sweet! :D :D

The next softest is the Remington Premier STS 1 1/8 ounce at 1100 fps. These cost considerably more than the Herter's mentioned above. I've got only a couple boxes of these left, but have shot several flats of them. Excellent, high quality loads.

Third place is a tie between the Estate 1 1/8 ounce at 1145 and several others of the same advertised velocity and weight such as Federal. I've shot a ton of these, but they do have a bit more kick than I like to shoot on a regular basis, but for the occasional "reach out and touch 'em" loads, they work very well.


Absolutely the softest! They also break targets without any issues! May not function in some semi autos.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:18 am 
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Denver1911 wrote:
B&P. Sure, different shells with the same load and velocity provide the same recoil energy. However, the time period over which that energy delivers makes a difference. And I believe it can be felt.


I no longer believe that.

Preconceptions can feel differences the body can't.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:37 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.


lt,

B&P discontinued the Comp I - 1 1/8oz @ 1160pfs and now offers the 1 1/8oz @ 1230fps.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:01 pm 
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searun wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
B&P used to make a 1 1/8 ounce 1150 or 1160 fps load. Don't see it listed anymore.


lt,

B&P discontinued the Comp I - 1 1/8oz @ 1160pfs and now offers the 1 1/8oz @ 1230fps.

CT

I loved that shell. Oh well.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:27 pm 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
birdhunter39 wrote:
Appreciate the lessons in theory guys but AA SS 1oz 1290s are less pleasant to shoot than gun club 1 1/8 @ 1145. Am interested in what loads folks perceive to be softer. Shape of the curve, whatever.


1 oz @ 1290 fps - 19 ft/lbs of recoil
1 1/8 @ 1150 fps - 18.9 ft/lbs of recoil

:shock:

BTW - Sometimes 1 1/8 ounce is just plain better. Know any Bona Fide 27 yard trapshooters using 1 ounce from the fence?


Know any US trapshooters that can outshoot the international bunker folks who use 7/8oz?

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:38 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:

Know any US trapshooters that can outshoot the international bunker folks who use 7/8oz?


How have the international bunker folks done with their 7/8 oz loads shooting trap from the 27 yard line?


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:08 pm 
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1 1/8 1145 or 1200 Clever T1 are very soft.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:42 pm 
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
B&P Comp 1 are way to much money. IMO


I'm not sure what too much money is too much.

https://www.aerostaroutdoors.com/produc ... rt-shells/ $84/case. $18 freight for 3 cases


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:07 pm 
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J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
oneounceload wrote:

Know any US trapshooters that can outshoot the international bunker folks who use 7/8oz?


How have the international bunker folks done with their 7/8 oz loads shooting trap from the 27 yard line?


I will bet those folks could easily do fine. Folks who shoot ZZs use 1oz loads and start at 27 meters, closer to 30 yards, and those targets are harder to break........
1-1/8 are simply not needed, nor is the recoil.

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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:10 pm 
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Since felt recoil is pretty subjective........we’re it me, I’d buy several different flavors, go shoot them all at the same presentation, and pick the one I liked best. But that’s just me I guess.


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:12 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
oneounceload wrote:

Know any US trapshooters that can outshoot the international bunker folks who use 7/8oz?


How have the international bunker folks done with their 7/8 oz loads shooting trap from the 27 yard line?


I will bet those folks could easily do fine. Folks who shoot ZZs use 1oz loads and start at 27 meters, closer to 30 yards, and those targets are harder to break........
1-1/8 are simply not needed, nor is the recoil.


This!


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 Post subject: Re: Softest 1 1/8oz factory load?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:25 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
J.Fred_Muggs wrote:
oneounceload wrote:

Know any US trapshooters that can outshoot the international bunker folks who use 7/8oz?


How have the international bunker folks done with their 7/8 oz loads shooting trap from the 27 yard line?


I will bet those folks could easily do fine. Folks who shoot ZZs use 1oz loads and start at 27 meters, closer to 30 yards, and those targets are harder to break........
1-1/8 are simply not needed, nor is the recoil.


Not very many international bunker shooters would use 7/8 ounce if they could use more.

ZZers only use 1 ounce because the rules limit them to that. Those seriously interested in winning would use more if they were allowed.




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