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 Post subject: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:40 am 
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When you guys are shooting a fast going away low flying trap bird what's your plan? And if you think I left any variables out of the equation go ahead and insert whatever you feel like.




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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:56 am 
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I think you would shoot it just like a trap shot.

Start with the barrel low.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:13 am 
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What makes this a FITASC question?
Why isn't this a trap question?
Or a Sporting clays question?

To hit the target shoot ahead of it along the path it's traveling, but not too far ahead.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:58 am 
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Hate to be the one to state the obvious but since the OP is asking how to approach this shot in FITASC rather than trap it is pretty damn clear he is asking about getting to the bird from the low mount vs taking a trap shot pre mounted.....I can't provide any advise because I have not shot FITASC and typically shoot that type shot from gun up when shooting SC.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:18 am 
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I normally snap the gun up, follow the path to just past the bird and miss it entirely.

Otherwise, I practice until I figure out how to shoot it for my style (gun low).

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:44 am 
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Most people (myself included) tend to rush the mount and miss the proper mount. You have more time than you think most of the time.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:58 am 
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Mount to the break point and shoot when the gun hits your shoulder. That’s how I do it. Works on teal type presentations too.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:08 am 
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I understand the OP question perfectly: it is a fairly common FITASC presentation of late, and *most* sporting shooters will premount for a trap-away and take it quick, but you cannot do that in FITASC.

My tactic is I (carefully) pick a further away BP than I normally would, allowing time for the mount AND added time to engage fully and synch up at that further distance -- for me, this means by BP is usually a good 15 to 20 yards further away than it would be for the same target in sporting. The key then becomes knowing exactly what direction the target is moving at that revised BP, because it's going to be somewhat different than what it would be if I shot it sporting style. It all comes down to having a solid plan for it. And of course practicing them on occasion ;)

Hope that helps,

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 Post subject: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:47 pm 
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I’m not the guy to listen to but what I do is remind myself not to panic. If it stays low I set the bead on the bottom. If it’s a higher angle i think I swing through it.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:10 pm 
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I lean as far foreward as I can and mount relatively slowly as most misses on this target are over the top.
Another option is mount to the shoulder fairly quickly with the barrel under the target and then pass thru the target as you shoot at the back edge


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:43 pm 
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For me, I’ve found that if I place the Butt Stock a bit lower and farther back under my arm, it forces me to slow my hands and push the gun forward into the Break Point. It’s more of a bayonet move and works fairly well no matter the distance. As always, you need to use your eyes properly throughout the shot.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:08 am 
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I’m surprised that the Fitasc mount doesn’t create more questions like this , because it does change things greatly on many target presentations.
To ask about a Trap like target is a bit vague.
Is it angled or straight away , because from a low gun start I approach those differently.
Because the target trajectory and angle is known your task becomes a fraction easier than an actual “ Trap “ targets unknown flight.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:16 am 
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TR/SC3 wrote:
For me, I’ve found that if I place the Butt Stock a bit lower and farther back under my arm, it forces me to slow my hands and push the gun forward into the Break Point. It’s more of a bayonet move and works fairly well no matter the distance. As always, you need to use your eyes properly throughout the shot.

Exactly how I shoot.
I find that doing it in such a way allows me to scan the sky for movement and react to wherever the target appears. Works better for SC and wobble trap rather than skeet or regular trap.
Shooting from a mounted position makes me focus too hard down the barrel and I don't see the bird as easily. Essentially, shooting from a low gun position doesn't allow me to overthink the whole exercise. Works for me anyways.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:39 am 
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I should have probably added that as a 2-eyed shooter, I can see "through" my barrels from a premount on a typical trap presentation. In this my HP is nearly online with the apex of the target's flight when I call pull, then it's just a matter of watching it come up to my muzzles through my barrel, a slight move to synch up, trigger and kill. One-eyed shooters cannot execute this as easily.

FITASC is totally different for me. I keep my muzzle just shy of my further out BP, and mount by bringing my stock essentially straight up into my pocket while keeping the muzzles relatively still by pivoting the mount around them. Then comes a pretty easy synch-up, trigger and kill -- at least most of the time.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:35 pm 
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Most excellent points Jack and TR.

About two years ago, my instructor Marty Fischer worked me through this exact situation and said the exact same things you two mentioned. That presentation is no longer and issue for me.


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:37 am 
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Mule Driver wrote:
Most excellent points Jack and TR.

About two years ago, my instructor Marty Fischer worked me through this exact situation and said the exact same things you two mentioned. That presentation is no longer and issue for me.

Weird. I'm self-learned. No instruction. It's just the way I'm comfortable with. Maybe it's my USPSA and Steel Challenge background where instinctive shooting is a must for real speed and accuracy. You don't have time to think. You just do.

What sealed it for me is when I was at a local shotgun club for my first exposure to Sporting Clays. One of the guys had invited me along while he practiced and it was my turn. He was saying something to me so my head was turned looking at him when he accidentally hit the button. I heard the trap fire and instinctively turned, located, mounted, followed and fired all in one move breaking the clay nicely. Been doing it that way ever since. And no, I rarely hunt birds so that isn't it.

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:25 am 
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Hahahaha........:-)


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:59 am 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Hahahaha........:-)

Something funny, Rooster?

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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:11 am 
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Very, yes:-) thanks for the chuckle this morning!


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 Post subject: Re: A fitasc question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:23 am 
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Jack,

Can you please clarify: are you stating that for these presentations you start with the muzzles close to the break point and higher than the butt stock? This would require a pivot type mount if I understand correctly.




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