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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:12 pm 
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I have considered several different guns over the past few months, Franchi Affinity Sporting, A300 sporting, A400s, Maxus and the Benelli offerings. I went with a Fabarm XLR5. I bought it used. Its the second one I have owned. I have owned several 391s and now have a 391 Sporting 20 ga. I think the Fabarm is a better gun.




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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:05 pm 
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I shot the Beretta A400 Xcel for a year and no doubt its a dependable shooting machine with crappy a$$ed pallet wood stock..... I sold that gun a bought NIB Winchester SX1 with some of the finest wood ever to grace a Winchester. The SX1 isn't for everyone, its a heavy competition gun built like no other, built for a beating 100,000 rounds can dish out.

I owned and shot many thousand rounds through a Beretta A300, another shooting machine I liked better than the A400 because I like the old 390/391 stock & grip design . The A300 is an upgraded 390 with budget wood and trigger group but has the improved self cleaning gas system like the A400.

All the guns listed in this thread would go above & beyond what the OP wants. If I were in the market for a new SA it would be the Fabarm L4S Sporting.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:07 pm 
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Rack-N-Roy wrote:
I shot the Beretta A400 Xcel for a year and no doubt its a dependable shooting machine with crappy a$$ed pallet wood stock..... I sold that gun a bought NIB Winchester SX1 with some of the finest wood ever to grace a Winchester. The SX1 isn't for everyone, its a heavy competition gun built like no other, built for a beating 100,000 rounds can dish out.

I owned and shot many thousand rounds through a Beretta A300, another shooting machine I liked better than the A400 because I like the old 390/391 stock & grip design . The A300 is an upgraded 390 with budget wood and trigger group but has the improved self cleaning gas system like the A400.

All the guns listed in this thread would go above & beyond what the OP wants. If I were in the market for a new SA it would be the Fabarm L4S Sporting.


Are there "new" Winchester SX1's out there for sale ?


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:14 pm 
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There are some new in box unfired Super X’s to be had if you want one. However, be prepared to pay dearly. A super X in good to excellent condition will sell for $1,000++. New unfired - figure $1,500 and up. There is somewhat of a cult following of these guns now. If you look for a used gun find a good field grade model. They will be less likely to have been shot at thousands of targets like a skeet or trap gun.

Check the Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, and Gunsinternational sites.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:20 am 
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Keep an eye open for a used Fabarm L4S or XLR5. I picked up a XLR5 for just a little over a thousand about 6 months ago. I had a Beretta A300, which I sold after I got the Fabarm. The Beretta A300 is not a bad gun, but not in the same class as the Fabarm IMO.

Saw this XLR5 with nice wood for sale on another forum: https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/fo ... st-8611427


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:57 am 
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I have the A400 with KickOff as well as the Fabarms XLR-5 Flat Rib. The Fabarms is for Sporting Clays and other targets, while the A400 is usually reserved for heavy(ie hunting) loads. I think the Fabarms is the better designed and built gun for clay targets. I have been very happy with the Fabarms and would buy another if they were ever offered in 20/28 gauge.

I have no problems with the Beretta either, having had the 391 Sporting in 12 ga and a field model in 20 gauge. I usually take the Beretta when we visit relatives in Las Vegas every year, and it spends two days at the Clark County Shooting Complex digesting 450-500 rds. without cleaning or malfunctioning.

For a clays gun, I would recommend the Fabarms due to the heavier weight(7-1/2# vs 6-3/4# for the A400). But either will work extremely well for clays.

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:56 pm 
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trackerboy wrote:
I have considered several different guns over the past few months, Franchi Affinity Sporting, A300 sporting, A400s, Maxus and the Benelli offerings. I went with a Fabarm XLR5. I bought it used. Its the second one I have owned. I have owned several 391s and now have a 391 Sporting 20 ga. I think the Fabarm is a better gun.


I'm sure it depends on which XLR5 you got , there are 3 Generations , which one ?
The ability to fit this gun to you will determine , how much better it is to your 391's .
The tapered bore , all 5 constrictions of chokes with a adjustable Rib and Comb is
fantastic but if you have small hands , it's like shouldering a telephone pole !


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:06 pm 
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I have the A400 with KickOff as well as the Fabarms XLR-5 Flat Rib. The Fabarms is for Sporting Clays and other targets, while the A400 is usually reserved for heavy(ie hunting) loads. I think the Fabarms is the better designed and built gun for clay targets. I have been very happy with the Fabarms and would buy another if they were ever offered in 20/28 gauge.

I have no problems with the Beretta either, having had the 391 Sporting in 12 ga and a field model in 20 gauge. I usually take the Beretta when we visit relatives in Las Vegas every year, and it spends two days at the Clark County Shooting Complex digesting 450-500 rds. without cleaning or malfunctioning.

For a clays gun, I would recommend the Fabarms due to the heavier weight(7-1/2# vs 6-3/4# for the A400). But either will work extremely well for clays.


My A400 excel sporting actually weight 8 pounds and eats anything I feed it. The Fabarm sporting guns are good guns. I still would buy Beretta but that’s because I have a lot of excellent history with them

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:27 pm 
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I've had several 391s. Still have a 20ga. They are excellent guns. That being said, I wouldn't take them all back if I had to give up my XLR5 LR. I had a talk with Rich Cole a couple of years back and he told me in his opinion the best made semi on the market today. He may have since changed his mind, I have no idea. Mine is a 2013 build. I have no idea what generation that is.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:14 pm 
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I can vouch for the A400 xcel, it's a great gun, super reliable, great feel and swing, and they are on the spendy side, but for a good dedicated semi auto there really isn't anything better. You could take a risk on a fabarm..........to me they are unproven.

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:26 pm 
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Really! Based on what? Suggest you tell the same to Mr. Wakenan.

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:19 am 
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I read tea leaves, Fabarm XLR5 is in johnnie g's future :s


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:24 am 
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gdub41 wrote:
I can vouch for the A400 xcel, it's a great gun, super reliable, great feel and swing, and they are on the spendy side, but for a good dedicated semi auto there really isn't anything better. You could take a risk on a fabarm..........to me they are unproven.


The Beretta A400 is probably a fine gun, I don’t know personally because I’ve never owned or shot one, and Beretta has many fans. Having said that , one thing Fabarm guns are not is “unproven “. Also, IMHO to say that there “ really isn’t anything better “ regarding ANYTHING suggests extensive personal research and experience with whatever else is in that particular product’s type or class. Otherwise it’s simply a statement of opinion by a fan of a given product.

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:01 am 
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The Beretta semi's and the Fabarm XLR are very different guns. They feel and swing very different. I just have a problem when semi's start getting over that 2k price point. Then I start to question resale and value. I haven't seen a Fabarm on a SC course. I do see them for sale pre owned at a sharp discount.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:09 am 
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I am a flat rib fan for Sporting, but I really don't want the Triwood finish. So, if I go Fabarm, I'm leaning toward the L4S Grey or Deluxe Sporter. But, they are pricey.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:59 am 
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I believe the Generations are from stock design , earlier ones had long (uncomfortable) pistol
grips and the 2nd Gens had cheap wood with little figure but the latest ones are a Knockout as,
pretty as you'll find anywhere but the gun is still bulky in the hands compared to a 391 . If it
wasn't so limited in what shot sizes it could shoot , it might be closer to a A400 ? you think ?


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:56 am 
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Ravenanme wrote:
I believe the Generations are from stock design , earlier ones had long (uncomfortable) pistol
grips and the 2nd Gens had cheap wood with little figure but the latest ones are a Knockout as,
pretty as you'll find anywhere but the gun is still bulky in the hands compared to a 391 . If it
wasn't so limited in what shot sizes it could shoot , it might be closer to a A400 ?
you think ?


I have owned both an XLR5 Sporting and an L4S and never knew they were limited in what shot sizes could be used. I thought the manual specifically said their chokes were all steel rated. Did I miss something?


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:30 pm 
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I would like to know where it is written about limiting shot size. It’s not in my manual and as pointed out, all chokes are steel rated including the fullest. The guns are even proofed much higher than required by the Italian proof house.

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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:14 pm 
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casonet wrote:
I would like to know where it is written about limiting shot size. It’s not in my manual and as pointed out, all chokes are steel rated including the fullest. The guns are even proofed much higher than required by the Italian proof house.


They aren't limited on shot size. He may be shell length since the sporting models are chambered to 2.75 rather than 3 or 3.5 but you can get the larger chamber by going with the various hunting models so I think it is just a biased comment.


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 Post subject: Re: Autoloader choices for clays only
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:51 pm 
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Lacyb wrote:
casonet wrote:
I would like to know where it is written about limiting shot size. It’s not in my manual and as pointed out, all chokes are steel rated including the fullest. The guns are even proofed much higher than required by the Italian proof house.


They aren't limited on shot size. He may be shell length since the sporting models are chambered to 2.75 rather than 3 or 3.5 but you can get the larger chamber by going with the various hunting models so I think it is just a biased comment.


Yes it was something I should not have repeated about shot size with Steel shot
as I just reviewed the new manual and could find it . I know I read it when I purchased
my XLR5 so they must of improved these chokes !




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