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 Post subject: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:56 pm 
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Just picked up 900 rounds (3-four pack boxes) of Winchester 12ga.71/2 shot at the Walmart the other day and didn't notice until I got home they had"heavy lead load" on the box.
Exactly what does that mean........I thought 71/2 shot was 71/2 shot?
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 Post subject: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:21 pm 
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It is a heavy lead load because the shells are 3 dram equivalent or 1200 fps.


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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:34 pm 
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Exactly what does that mean........I thought 71/2 shot was 71/2 shot?
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It is generally payload weight, not what the payload is made of.

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A common example is the "Remington ShurShot Heavy Dove" load. It isn't for fat, chubby doves, nor is the lead Star Trek lead.

An 1-1/8 oz. load is sometimes called a "heavy load" today, as opposed to 1 oz. loads.

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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:42 pm 
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Maybe they're loaded with soft chilled lead shot, which is denser and less expensive than high antimony hard lead shot. I don't regard either 1 1/8 ounce or 3 dram eq as a "heavy" 12 gauge load. Perhaps it's on the heavy end of target loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:54 pm 
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No. Heavy and light needs a point of comparison. If a 1 oz. 12 gauge load is a light target load, than that makes an 1-1/8 oz. load either standard or "heavy."

It is poor language, of course, for if you say you want a light gun, no one knows what actual weight is being referred to. Adjectives need a noun to modify.

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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:56 pm 
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salesrep wrote:
Just picked up 900 rounds (3-four pack boxes) of Winchester 12ga.71/2 shot at the Walmart the other day and didn't notice until I got home they had"heavy lead load" on the box. Exactly what does that mean........I thought 71/2 shot was 71/2 shot?
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Wouldn't that be 300 rounds? (3 x 4 x 25)

In this case it means 3 Drams Equivalent of black powder, or 1200 fps loads. More velocity (and kick) than the same 1-1/8th oz of lead at 1145 fps, or as Randy pointed out, more than a 1 oz load at the same 1200 fps velocity. A light load would be 1 oz at 1180 fps.

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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:13 pm 
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In this case it means 3 Drams Equivalent of black powder, or 1200 fps loads.


Define "black powder". I guarantee that a 3 dram load of Swiss will shoot harder than a 3 dram load of Elephant or Curtis and Harvey gunpowders.

Yes, I called it gunpowder. Before nitro powders were introduced, it was mostly called gunpowder. Just like baseball was not called "hardball" before the game of softball was invented.


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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
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How far do we need to drag it off-topic? Heavy refers to weight, fast refers to speed. It is simple enough. If the box says 1-1/8 oz., it doesn't matter if it is 1-1/8 oz. of lead, steel, or feathers, it is 1-1/8 oz.

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 Post subject: Re: Heavy Lead-Winchester loads
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Sorry about the math..yes 100 rounds x 3 does equal 300 rounds.
Thanks for all the responses guys.
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