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 Post subject: time to give the Model 50 long deserved credit. post em up!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:45 pm 
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the only way this model shotgun is going to get its just reward is to bring em out and show the world just how nice they are. so start postng them up!
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heres my shooter. its a 55 skeet.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:24 pm 
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The first shotgun I bought myself, in 1960, was a shiney new Model 50 12-gauge 30-inch full choke with a vent rib. My Father was of the notion that I didn't want a 30-inch full choke for all around use, so he decided Poly Chokes were the answer. At the same time Dad had the barrel of the Remington Sportsman 12-gauge 30-inch full choke he'd gotten in the late 1930s with his employee discount at Seattle Hardware, whacked to 26-inch with a Poly Choke. By the 1961 season the Remington was gone, replaced by a 30-inch 12-gauge VH-Grade Parker Bros. for Father's waterfowl gun. I struggled on into the 1962 season. I was sitting out in our Duck boat in the cattails when a hunter on the uplands flushed a Rooster Pheasant, missed him, and he sailed right by me and the damn Model 50 was jammed on a slightly swollen paper shell!!! When he picked me up at the landing Father said "that wouldn't have happened with one of my old doubles." I finished out the 1962 season shooting his 16-gauge Remington Model 1894 (stolen from his house in Seattle in December 1978, serial number P136036). Before the 1963 season the Model 50, a Model 43 .22 Hornet and $90 were gone and I had my first Ansley H. Fox, an HE-Grade Super-Fox 12-gauge 3-inch magnum with 32-inch and 28-inch barrels.

Nostalgia being what it is, in 2003 I picked up a 30-inch full choke vent rib Model 50 12-gauge at a small local show, and I've also assembled a set of Remington Sportsman in all three gauges.

If I'd have had plastic shells in 1962, I might still have my original Model 50!!


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 Post subject: Re: time to give the M50 its long deserved credit. post em up!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:03 pm 
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so much for this thread being a tribute to the M50.... :lol:

now lets see a pic of that 50 of yours!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:19 am 
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I shot boatloads of ducks and truckloads of squirrels with the one I got from my Dad. But the 3 Model-50's I've been around since basically new all eventually started double shooting and just going off while on safe with just the slightest bump. There was a recall on them because of this. Was something with the hammer bending when shooting. You can't get parts for them and they are best just being looked at and not used in a hunting situation. Mine will never have more than one shell in it at a time. They are not allowed loaded around me. If someone shows up with one expecting to hunt he will get his feelings hurt.

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My father bought one in 1962. By 1972 he had disassembled it into its separate componets and used them for trot line weights. From then on he shot nothing but his old Model 12 that my mother bought for him in 1956.


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I would love to find a steel receiver 12 or 20 gauge Model 50 Skeet Grade in high original condition at a fair price, but never have. The only competitive skeet shooter I have ever known to shoot Model 50s was All American John Dalton. I don't know how long he shot them. I'm not sure he actually paid for them.


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Karen Missel, the earth mother of Alaska skeet shooters, shot a pair of them when I was there in 1974 and 75. Only person I ever saw using them on a regular basis.


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OK guys. I dug mine out of the safe this morning --

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I love my 50. It was my Grandpas favorite pheasant gun so whenever I'm out chasing ringnecks you can bet it is the gun I'm carrying
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I have seen more than one beater grade, worn slick, old Browning Auto Five wear the trigger to the point where the gun would double or even go off if set down.

But now that I think about it, I can't recall ever seeing a Model 50 that looked like it had been shot a zillion times. Were they prone to early trigger problems and then used as trotline weights? What say you, bobski, about the factory bullitiens?


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 Post subject: Re: time to give the M50 its long deserved credit. post em up!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:05 am 
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funny, the error in the trigger was caught in the first year. it had to do with the two notch trigger sear. winchester notified auth win repair centers to grind off the second notch. if owners didnt bring the gun back to be modified, you cant blame the gun. maybe i can get our friend to send me his boat anchor 50 for nothing. afterall its worthless right? i'd fix it and have me a good 50 for the rest of my life! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: time to give the M50 its long deserved credit. post em up!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:45 pm 
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Here is a Model 50 I snapped a pic of while at the BBHC for the RSA Seminar in 2003 --

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:50 pm 
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Here are the experimental Model 50s at the BBHC. The .410-bore version to the right of the Model 40 was way cool --

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:25 pm 
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I've seen other guns (101's???) that have two sear notches on the hammer. Always thought it was some sort of safety in case the first sear let go maybe the second one would catch it.

So, did only the first year 50s have the two notches? Are there supposed to be any ways to tell if the 50 was fixed? Serial number ranges involved?

And how did the second notch give problems?

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 Post subject: Re: time to give the M50 its long deserved credit. post em up!
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basically they over-engineered it to be like the m42 and the m12. the second notch wasnt needed.

you need to take your trigger group out and see if the second notch was filed off.
without the mod, some owners would fire the gun and it would catch on the second hammer notch. the owners would dismount wondering what happened, shake it, hit it, etc...and it would A.D..
some did, some didnt. i still find most undone. its 50/50.
here, its a small pic. hope you can enlarge it.
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the answer to this fix was addressed in dec.,1956. it called for one to install the new one notch hammer or grind the 2 notched hammer down.

fyi, by 1956, a total of 22 M50 design problems were addressed. all were fixed. overall, it wasnt much more than a typical gun design today.
the good news is the M50 enjoyed being fixed while in production, unlike the sxm1, where most problems cropped up after production ceased.

when i say 22 design problems, remember, most every gun in production even today is receiving factory bulletins on improve performance. and too...like many then, many owners now arent even aware of them. usually gunsmiths get these bulletins.
spend time as car dealership maintenance supervisor some day and your head would spin with all the required factory changes they need to do on your cars when in for service. some make it into the news. some are just mailed to owners. great, if youre the original owner. but what about the next guy?
same with guns. thus, many M50's were never given the updates they needed, and owners just tossed them as boat anchors.
what i'd give to have all your boat anchors! toss them my way! :lol:

if anyones having trouble, post here and i'll look it up for you and give advice. i'll hit my buddies at the club up for old winchester knowledge.


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researcher01....did you see john olins #1 model 50 there?


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John Olin's # 1 was actually #1000. There was no #1 through #999.


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by knowing that 1000 is #1, by askng if he saw #1 meant, did he see 1000. clarification wasnt required, but thanks anyway. im sure others would like that info. :wink:

o-cowboy, have you ever seen 1000?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:18 pm 
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Bobski, I have two model 50's, one made in 1954 ( serial # 23xxx ) and the other made in 1959 ( serial # 142xxx ) The 1954 one was my dad's gun, bought it new and we lived on a farm in South Dakota, a very busy farmer, and I bet it never had the 2nd sear modification done, so I pulled the trigger group, but I don't think you can tell without taking it further down, I dont wish to do that, so my question is, is there a way to tell without taking the trigger group down? The 1959 gun should be okay! Thanks A'


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o-cowboy, have you ever seen 1000?[/quote]

No.


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