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 Post subject: The Big Refinishing Thread!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:28 am 
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Lots of requests for "How To" so I thought I would start with how I do it and let others build on it. There are as many methods as there are Spanish Makers of old so feel free to add to this or post your Best Refinishing Practice (BRP).
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THIN BIT SCREWDRIVERS OR SCREW DRIVER SET (no Wheelers or other sets without the THIN BITS)

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I look for obvious prior repairs, dings/dents in barrels, action tightness and firing pins. I then put in snap caps and check function.

I then disassemble the gun from the stock and the various major action groups to look at general condition. If all is well, I proceed. If not I repair if I can or send it out if I can't.

I give the action and internals a complete cleaning, using a bronze bristle brush to GENTLY remove any surface rust. I leave it apart and do this several times over several days as the oil in the action does loosen things up. Generally I place it in a small container of Hoppes for an hour or two, the scrub a little. I then place it in kerosene overnight, and repeat the cleaning the next day. I repeat the kerosene soak/clean aa couple times a day for 3-4 days. Take it out, blow dry with canned air (do not use a compressor...water concerns) allow to dry then lightly oil with CLP

The barrels I take OxphoBlue gell from Brownells and rub them with fine steel wool and the Oxphoblue until I get the desired results....usually 2-3 hours of rubbing over time. Wipe clean with a warm wet rag, dry thoroughly and oil with CLP. The inside of the barrels I hit with Brownells FlexHone to clean it up.

Stock:
I use stripper on it and a stiff toothbrush and rags until all of the old finish is off. I then wipe it down completely with acetone to get off the stripper. I inspect and repair any cracks, steam any dents out and then give it a very light sanding (440) to remove any wood hairs and blend scratches and dents. I then fit the pad to it and make sure that the pad to wood fit is correct. While sanding, I avoid any place that has metal to wood fit to prevent proud metal. When I think I have done what I can, I then stain it with Pilkington's Spirit stain (various colors. I use English red) I then use either LinSpeed oil or TruOil. I usually use LinSpeed oil making sure I get plenty on, avoiding the checkering the first time and then I use a blow dryer to heat the wood with the oil on it every couple of hours the first day. This isn't to dry it, but to open the pores to allow soaking. I usually spread the oil around with my fingers after blowing to cover areas that are soaking more than others. I then set it aside and let it dry for a minimum of 72 hours (3 days). I then lightly rub it with super fine steel wool to get any excess dry oil off and to rough up the surface. Inspect to make sure no fibers are left then I rub in a subsequent very, very thin coat of oil, using a toothbrush to put some in the checkering (very, very light coat).

Allow to dry 24 hours or a little more. I then use rottensone and linspeed oil to break the shine on the surface, wipe it clean and then do another light coat.

Repeat 3-4 times. When I feel I have an adequate coat (You do not want a huge laquer looking coat, but a light one) I allow it to dry for 72 hours. I then take Pilkington's oil, red/brown, and rottenstone and give it a light rub down to break the sheen and to give it a glow. Wipe clean, allow to dry 6 hours and reassemble.

All of the items you can get from Brownells.

That is my method, there are many like it, but this one is mine. (To badly paraphrase "This is my Rifle" ... you old jarheads will understand.)

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:07 am 
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Chorizo, excellent post, and a very valid subject.

If I may I'll add my $.02. But first I must preface it. Folks I am a mere apprentice learning under the great Chorizo. I do have some funriture refinishing experience, so I've used some different techniques, but to get the same result. Though I admit my guns do not look as nice as Chorizo's.


Thin bit screwdrivers are a must. don't skimp here. One messed up screw and you'll wish you had spent a little $$ and got the right tools.

I use an unbranded furniture refinisher to remove the finish, you just rub it on, and wipe off. No soaking, no scraping, less chance to damage the wood. It removes the lacquer found on most of these guns.

After repairing the wood as Chorizo suggests, I add my stain and let cure. Then set the wood on a towel and place under a small shop halogen light. This heats the wood to open the pores.

I add Tru-Oil, many light coats. Rubbing with steel wool between coats to dull the shine and remove any imperfections in the coat.

After I have this done, I rub down in Clenzoil and set under the lamp again to dry. I do this several times.

As for the metal, I do as Chorizo does, only using a heavy coat of Clenzoil. I use 0000 steel wool to clean the metal, but use very light pressure as to not damage the metal's finish. I do not use Hoppes, or soak in kerosene. Nothing wrong with that, just never have done it. What better time to clean and oil the mechanics of you gun than when you have it completely dissassembled. Don't skimp here do this right. I like Clenzoil, because it seems to soak into the metal and cleans easily.

I've yet to add a buttpad, so I can't give any advice here.

I enjoy my new found hobby, and I'm sure you will too.

If your not strickend with SSD before you try this, you will be after.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:50 pm 
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Thank you for the kind words. The rest of you, pipe up! I know there are other techniques out there that folks are using, especially the finish after stripping.


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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
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Most of what I learned was from Mike Campbell and Bosco on Uplandjournal. Wburns visits here sometimes. He is also quite good. See Mike and Bosco's posts. Mike gave a real treatise on Doublegunshop about a year ago but I couldn't find it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
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I had very good results with an aerosol stripper I got at Home Depot. I believe it was Klean Strip. I sprayed it on and let it sit for about ten minutes or so and then wiped it off (wear rubber gloves). I used a toothbrush to get into the checkering. I did a second application to get the stuff I missed the first time but it was very quick and easy.

I then steamed out the dents using an old wet t-shirt and an iron. Hit the whole thing with fine sandpaper to knock down the whiskers.

I didn't stain mine. I applied tung-oil. The first coat with 600 grit sandpaper (not on the checkering). Let it dry for a few days and then 0000 steel wool and another coat. I put the oil on the checkering with a toothbrush and then wiped it off. I put several coats on and then a couple of coats of linseed oil.

I haven't done anything with the metal yet except 0000 steel wool and remoil to knock down some of the surface rust.

I actually made my own screwdriver with a grinding wheel and an old screwdriver that was close. I just reshaped it a little at a time until it was a good match to the screws. I had buggered some of the screws a while back using the wrong screwdriver and it made me sick.

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My in-progress project is a single shot .22 bolt action that my father-in-law just bought for my son. I have cut down the stock and reshaped the buttpad to it and am doing some work on the forend (sp?) and then will strip and refinish the wood. That one will get some kind of stain as the wood is very light and very plain. I plan on using the Oxphoblue on the metal. If I like the results with the Oxphoblue I'll probably use some on the above shotgun. I will then be refinishing my .308 bolt rifle. I love the projects.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:12 pm 
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Nice work sjohnny.

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Thanks. It was my first refinishing project and a lot of fun.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
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You did well for the first time. I did my first a couple weeks ago, and am hooked bad. Just want to do more. :D

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Goldhky wrote:
...am hooked bad. Just want to do more. :D

I know the feeling. I've got four gun projects lined up (in addition to my numerous non-gun projects), I just don't have enough time. It's killing me.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
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Bump to top: people are starting to ask again and maybe someone has something to add.


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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
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I've done about 8 gunstocks. Stripping as above but I use the cheapest paste stripper I can find. Then rinse with MS or turps. Let dry couple days, steam dents and sand - I go to 800. I have used BLO, tung and more recently, Daly's Benmatte. They all work well.

My shop is set up for compressed air and I have a water remover in the line so I use the ol' pressure hose to dry the metalworks.

When I add a buttpad, I've started using the NECG quick-remove pads. They are really nice and you can change LOP very easily by swapping pads.

I do the grinding and fitting freehand using a disc grinder. Work carefully and it's as good as using a jig.

My next project is changing the pitch and LOP on a Merkel 1620 whose finish dissolved in the rain the first time I used it in bad weather. Brand new gun - rained all day but got 4 pheasants (as I remember) and the finish came off the friggin' stock. Merkel has the crappiest finishes I've seen - either they're heavy polyurethane or the water-soluble junk on te 1620.

Sorry for rant.

I gave two refinished Anitua sidelocks to my nephews (ingrates) and unless something really nice comes along won't buy more salvage jobs. I don't have time to use the guns I already have! Looking for an English Best - Want one before I die.

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 Post subject: Re: The Big Refinishing Thread!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:41 pm 
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Great post!!! I believe you do it like most of the top stock people. I've talked to a few and it's very similiar. Most like linspeed.

Repairing coin finish.

Here's something I stumbled on when I built a G3. I was using Ospho metal treatment before painting it and realised it looks just like the coin finish when rubbed. It is actually a phosphate...similiar to a grey park. It does etch the metal slightly which makes it good for a pre-paint finish.

This stuff doesn't rust...just like the coin finish.

When I was refinishing a shotgun I experimented under the trigger guard and whammo....I'm pretty sure it's it or close to it. i blended the bare area with the coin finish.

I cleaned the metal....then applied the ospho metal treatment. Let sit for an hour or so (you can go overnight). Rinse with water. Then apply a good oil and lightly rubbed with steel wool until you get the correct color. It turns blackish when first applied...the oil and steel wool bring it back to gray....just lightly work it. I'm not sure how you would re-do a side lock with engraving....may have to use a brass brush to get in the engraving cracks. I've only repaired smooth areas. Experiment first. This stuff is good. They use it on cars and such before they paint them. It's what makes a girter black...they treat tools with it too.

You can get ospho from Ace hardware....get the stuff for steel...it's like green water.

I've even treated old mausers with pitted bores. It gets down to the bottom of the pit. I then run a brush through it ....the more your brush the shinier it gets....it will never be mirror finish....it's has a little haze to it if you rub all the finish off. But! It keeps the pits from rusting again. If the barrel is really bad it doesn't make a difference that it etches the bore.

One warning!!!! Don't ever use it if you think you're going to want to blue the gun. It will never take the blue. I've tried!!! 10 times and the blue would not take!!!


Anyone else ever find something to replicate the coin finish?



chorizo wrote:
Lots of requests for "How To" so I thought I would start with how I do it and let others build on it. There are as many methods as there are Spanish Makers of old so feel free to add to this or post your Best Refinishing Practice (BRP).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:15 am 
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Great post Chorizo!
My gunsmith friend introduced me to Gun Sav'r Gunstock Finisher, a product that I now use instead of True Oil or LinSpeed oil. I differ from Chorizo's method by using 600 grit paper, OOOO steel wool and boiled linseed oil. I rub boiled Linseed oil on the stock a little at a time and sand. After sanding, I wipe the stock and let it dry. A few applications and the grain is filled and the stock has a polished look. When close to the but or wrist areas, I sand sand away and not towards the ends. By doing so, prevents rounding the edges. Gun Sav'r is sprayed on, easy to use, saves time and produces either a gloss or satin finish. I recently finished 4 shotguns and couldn't be happier.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:02 am 
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wyobirds,

Great tip on sanding away from the edges. I try to avoid the edges completely, but when I have to I get the flexible grit foam that comes in sheets, wrap it tightly on a q-tip and gently work the spot until I get what I need done or just can't do any more, then blend by going away from the edge.

Nothing screams "refinished and poorly done" like proud metal on a SxS shotgun.

Thanks for the different technique!

Here is how to clean-up buggered screws:

Place in a vice with thread protected, head up. Lightly peen the slot edges with a SMALL peen hammer and clean up the burred edge slot (only if really needed) with a thin one sided file. Use a cold blueing compound on the screw head after degreasing it.
After putting it back in the gun and aligning screw head, very lightly peen again to clean up, hit with blue compound on q-tip, then oil.

It won't make them like new, but will make them much less noticable.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:27 am 
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That's a good tip I've used....sometimes the screw monkeys have just gone too far....then you can do a quick fix by using a bazic metalic silver marker for coin finished guns. It works real good with coin finish screws. Just draw down into the slot, wipe off the excess on the screw head with your finger and then take it out to do your show and tell or put it in your pretty glass case. It masks the bad slot and any residue in the screw slot. The dark, ragged slot makes the buggered screw real obvious. A little silver is an optical allusion.

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wyobirds,

Great tip on sanding away from the edges. I try to avoid the edges completely, but when I have to I get the flexible grit foam that comes in sheets, wrap it tightly on a q-tip and gently work the spot until I get what I need done or just can't do any more, then blend by going away from the edge.

Nothing screams "refinished and poorly done" like proud metal on a SxS shotgun.

Thanks for the different technique!

Here is how to clean-up buggered screws:

Place in a vice with thread protected, head up. Lightly peen the slot edges with a SMALL peen hammer and clean up the burred edge slot (only if really needed) with a thin one sided file. Use a cold blueing compound on the screw head after degreasing it.
After putting it back in the gun and aligning screw head, very lightly peen again to clean up, hit with blue compound on q-tip, then oil.

It won't make them like new, but will make them much less noticable.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:37 am 
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Post some pictures of your work. It would be interesting to see some.


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Here's another one.

This Union Armera had 3 of the worst chemical stains I've ever dealt with....nothing would mask them. I even tried bleaching.

I'm not proud of this poly thing but it works on hopeless cases.

Use poly....cut it 75% mineral spirits to 25% poly. Get a fine point sharpy. Sand and clean wood. Stain as best as you can to match the marks to the natural color. Put a coat of the cut poly on the gun. Let it dry well Now draw connecting grain lines with the sharpy. Do them one at a time. Quicky rub your finger over the line after you draw it....this feathers it and makes it look like natural grain. Lighty without rubbing add another thin coat. The mineral spirits will remove some of the sharpy if you rub too hard. I keep doing it every coat until it matches.

P.S. Good luck with the checkering! That's the hard part. I tape it off. Then add a coat at the end...
Here's a pic...I love this gun! It would make you sick if you knew what I paid for it. It was one ugly gun when I got it.

I don't have a picture of the barrels. They came out beautiful...nice dark blue...almost black. I had to file pits and such. "Blue wonder" works very nice.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=8105&fullsize=1


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Here's a good example of using a silver marker on a coin finished screw. The screw closest to the barrels. Notice the bigger slot. I peened it as you described but it was still very obvious. Notice the silver marker in the bottom of the screw slot. It is a very nice optical illusion. Hides it from your eye. The wide slot and dark screw slot pulls your eye to the screw. A little silver does the trick.

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Very clever!



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