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 Post subject: bolt-action
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 6:31 pm 
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anyone else here have any bolt-action shotgun? i like the novelty of it and actually prefer then for hunting as they are very quiet actions, i have 2 mossbergs, one is a 195k 12 gauge bolt and the other is a 395, both with c-lect chokes, i might pick up a marlin as well, 32" goose barrel 3 shot mag, call me strange but i like them, them and falling block single shots preferred over break action singles as well <p><img src=http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0MAAAAI8QZ4sBCLKHBHhlVd0CSzKIQOv5iBMZMPtEwtYWZ8QkvKCdxecLv98L39tTQ5Ft9LsP8yN0AHAAOgAvAA/draft-tan20.jpg></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:38 am 
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I have a Mossberg .410 that was left to me by a family member. It had been sitting in his closet for around 20 years. I was suprised when I got all of the dust off of it to find that it was still in about 95%. I've taken it hunting a time or two and was very impressed in the way it handled and patterned. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Mossberg 20 guage
PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 12:10 pm 
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My first gun was a Mossberg 20 guage with a poly-choke, and, I, too, thought bolt-actions guns were versatile. However, as a young man, I didn't mind leaving it behind for my new Wingmaster!!<br><br>It is interesting though that, especially for grouse, you really do see a lot of family shotguns come out of the trunk, including singles and bolt-action. <br><br>Bolt actions, like a pump, can be polished and they get lightening fast and smooth, and even quiter. Don't ask me how to do it on the bolt but I did learn about it on the 870, and it really works. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg 20 guage
PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 12:45 pm 
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I have a 185D and 183D Mossbergs.<br>They are both light and comfy.<br>I like them, plus they are very inexpensive. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg 20 guage
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:16 am 
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cD,<br><br>Last year I picked up an M-98 Mauser in 12ga. all original with the exception of a Weaver Choke threaded onto the barrel (too bad) and in very good condition. I use it at the trap range and turn alot of heads, especially when I shoot it better than my Bt-99. Reguards, Joe <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg 20 guage
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:40 am 
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You can use a polishing compound, some of the fine grit like used on cars or Dremel tools. Just clean the area, add the paste, and work the action like normal, the fine grit works at the metal. Usually rubbing alcohol carb, cleaner, or a good gun cleaner removes the paste, re-lube and you are ready to go. Have done this on some stiff doubles to free them up. <p>There is a fine line between a hobby and insanity.</p><i></i>

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg 20 guage
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 2:05 pm 
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I have a bolt .410 and a bolt 16 gauge. Both are great fun, and I agree that the action is often much quieter than pumps. For applications that require fast follow-up shots, I think it is a bit challenging, not so much because of the speed of working the action, but because of the extra time needed to re-acquire the target and assume proper posture after working the action. But in the end, it is usually just a matter of your first shot being the only one you want to take (or the only one you get) so I see it all being pretty equal between bolts, pumps, and breaks for deer and such. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:49 pm 
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I have a Mauser Model '98 in 12 gauge. The mods were made by two different companies.<br><br>My brother bought one back in the '70s and did a nice job of sporterizing it for slug hunting whitetails. He put a Fajen stock on it, Rem 700 bolt handle, polished and jeweled the bolt, etc, etc. It turned out beautiful.<br><br>So when I ran across one at a gun show in the late '80s I bought it for $50 with the same intentions as my brother. We did further research on the origin of the gun to find out that there were considerable modifications to the bolt to make it work with the large head diameter of a 12 ga shotshell, thus eliminating a lug reducing the strength of the action by 50%.<br><br>I discontinued my pursuit of sporterizing the weapon, and my brother retired his to a respectful place in the cabinet. They are interesting to own though. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Mike Ross<br><br>Life Member, NAHC<br><br>Member, National Rifle Association<br><br>Member, Meeker Co. Historical Society<br></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub125.ezboard.com/bshotgunworld.showUserPublicProfile?gid=mtross>MTRoss</A> at: 1/9/03 11:55:48 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:59 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:41 pm 
Hey My father has a Mossberg Shotgun Model 195K. He'd like to know the year of distrubition and a current value. Any help would be appriciated. He's not too computer savy.


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:44 pm 
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Hey My father has a Mossberg Shotgun Model 195K. He'd like to know the year of distrubition and a current value. Any help would be appriciated. He's not too computer savy

The 195k was made from 1956-1963. Value??? Around here nobody wants them. Most bolt action shotguns I've seen are selling for $45-$75. There are a good number of people who still like these things. I imagine they would make a decent turkey or slug gun. I have a 395k in 12ga.. It was given to me by my brother-in-law. My sister bought it for him for their first anniversery in 1968. It's in mint condition and he said it's only had a half box of shells fired through it. It's been in my cabinet for a few years now but I have yet to shoot it.

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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:52 pm 
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I have a Mauser Model '98 in 12 gauge. The mods were made by two different companies.

My brother bought one back in the '70s and did a nice job of sporterizing it for slug hunting whitetails. He put a Fajen stock on it, Rem 700 bolt handle, polished and jeweled the bolt, etc, etc. It turned out beautiful.

So when I ran across one at a gun show in the late '80s I bought it for $50 with the same intentions as my brother. We did further research on the origin of the gun to find out that there were considerable modifications to the bolt to make it work with the large head diameter of a 12 ga shotshell, thus eliminating a lug reducing the strength of the action by 50%.

I discontinued my pursuit of sporterizing the weapon, and my brother retired his to a respectful place in the cabinet. They are interesting to own though.
Mike Ross


Wise move. The reciever ring was bored out to make room for the shotgun barrel thereby completely removing the front locking lug recesses. The only thing locking those actions closed is the very small third rear lug. This lug locks into the bottom of the reciever and was never meant to be a sole source of locking. It was simply intended to be an additional measure of safety should the front lugs fail. I would say it reduces the strength of the action by a lot more than 50%. I would definetly think twice before firing one these guns.

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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:55 pm 
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Last year I picked up an M-98 Mauser in 12ga. all original with the exception of a Weaver Choke threaded onto the barrel (too bad) and in very good condition. I use it at the trap range and turn alot of heads, especially when I shoot it better than my Bt-99. Reguards, Joe

There really is no such thing as an all original Mauser M-98 shotgun. They were all made by third party companies out of old, disgarded military rifles.

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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:44 pm 
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I've got an old JC Higgins 16 gauge bolt action that was given to me by my grandfather. It was pretty beat up so I refinished the whole gun and it came out beautiful. I've taken it deer hunting a few times but it doesn't like any slugs so I just use it occationaly for squirrels. All in all it's a great gun.


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:59 pm 
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My first shotgun was a 20 gauge Stevens bolt action that I was given for Xmas in 1951(my brother too) at the tender age of 11, nice gun wish I still had it! I do have my mothers .410 bolt gun( yeah, mom's) in my gun safe, that baby's got a history of probley 60 years now, all the kids and grand kids were stated off on that old piece.
:lol: works OK except for the mag tube won't feed right and the bead disappeared some how.


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:16 am 
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I have a fully rifled Browning A-Bolt 12ga. slug gun with a 1.7 X 5 Leupold scope. It is a tack driver.


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 1:35 pm 
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My first shotgun was a J.C. Higgins 20 GA bolt action, I recently reacquired the shotgun back from a guy I had sold it too. kind of like that little bolt action :)

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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:58 pm 
hi, everyone. does anybody know what brand and model ww2 shotguns were used. can you help in identifying this: 12Ga bolt action shot gun with box magazines. supposed to be used in ww2. its buttstock is like an m14's.


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:02 pm 
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In the early days of WWII all sorts of guns were purchased by the various military services. If your gun has a "Flaming Bomb" arsenal stamp un it,it was probably used as a military gun. However,bolt action shotguns were not very common with most of the "purchased off the line" guns being Winchester M12s &M97s,Remington M11s & M31s,and various Stevens and Ithaca models such as M720s & M37s.

The only bolt action shotgun with arsenal stamps on both the stock and the barrel that I ever actually inspected was a Mossberg M75A 20ga that was purchased for the U.S.Merchant Marine. It was also clearly marked "U.S.M.M ,1939" branded on the stock.

I talked to old timers that were in CD units around Chicago and were given 12ga bolt action guns and buck shot ammo to shoot German paratroopers as they parachuted from the sky. A rather grim thought!


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 Post subject: Re: bolt-action
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:59 pm 
Its a strange thing that the break open single barrelled shotguns were mainly produced in the North Eastern United States but were virtually the only type of single barrelled shotgun used in Europe. Falling blocks, levers, roling blocks were virtually unheard off. The gun in the farmer's press was either an english made double side by side or a USA made hindged single. These were usually made with soft actions and wore loose in short time, the result was they just continued to fire away with the loose guns. That being said it is hard to beat the feel, balance and pointability of a break open single for hunting. H & R still make them as shotguns and rifles.

The bolt action, if made no more than six and half pounds weight has the same handling qualities as the break open. It looks good, it handles well because the weight is between the hands with no bulky extreams that the auto or pump has. Which is more it can be made with a detachable box magazine to become a repeater.

It falters for clays because the second shot of a double bird is too slow. But for hunting that is not a broblem, the first shot is the best and you can still re-load in time to take a second pheasant. There is something very natural about the slender lines and thin foreend. About the only draw back is that you cannot hook it over your arm when carrying it unloaded like a break open.

The side by side doubles can be nearly equal, but the onder and overs have an objectionable large side profile.

Any who shoots a well balances and pointable shotgun will find the clumsyness of an auto or pump disagreable. So it is no wonder shooters are finding the slick bolt cycling preferable to the shaky fore end and bulk feel of the pump.[/b]


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