If that....

I never was a big time Registered Shooter and stayed close to home so I maybe shot in 7 or 8 NSCA shoots per year. And this Spring decided what's the point So now I help out and work the NSCA shoots at my local Club(have 1 a month) and enjoy that MUCH more than competing And now can actually visit with my shooting Buds vs waving at each other on the course if we even saw each other.

They pay me in Targets on my card, or a flat of shells or cash depending on what I ask for on that day. So WIN-WIN for me

Let the class warfare begin.

I'm now pretty certain that's exactly what's it's been about all along...

It ain't about master. Any ranking system that doesn't take into account poor performance is a non starter. It's all about $$ and giving people incentive to shoot. You have good and poor shooters in all the classes.

Class warfare, or class envy:-). Always comes back, doesn’t it?

Speaking as a relatively new registered shooter, I find the punch system to be pretty adequate. As stated, it does accomplish the NSCA's goal of acquiring revenue via the target tax. I've only been shooting for less than 2 years, only have appx 3500 targets and am about to punch into B class.

I have not illusions about making Master, but I do enjoy the challenge of increasing my skills and competing for the next class.

No organization can survive without $$$.

No system is perfect.

What we have works pretty well; but there are certainly a few tweaks that could be made to improve it.

Instead of bitching here, it's probably more productive to make constructive suggestions directly to the NSCA EC board -- but of course you need to be a member of the NSCA to do that.

It's an adjusted average system therefore purely based on performance. C is the lowest class and above C all the classes have thresholds. It doesn't matter if you shoot 10 comps per year or 50 your scores are all assessed under the same mechanism.

Any classification system can be 'gamed' but the overwhelming majority of competitors are honest and are in the right class. There are the upwardly mobile movers of course, on their way to the next class but of course it gets progressively harder as you move up.

In practice, every registered shoot is really 4 shoots with each class competing for honours against those of roughly similar ability and mostly with a small cash prize available. The winner of say B class might only win £40 but it's something to take away and a nice reminder that he/she beat all comers in B class on that day.

I've been reading about the punch system for years and it obviously works well for some and equally obviously doesn't really work very well for the rest. The CPSA system is perhaps more balanced and not weighted to favour those with more resources of time and funds.

Thanks for that explanation! Seems you folks have it going properly.

The NSCA had it going in the right direction with the NPA system. That didn't last long when the inflated ego's got upset and made threats to go home. https://www.multibriefs.com/briefs/nssa ... 020811.pdf

And Trickster does the CPSA allow shooters, friends and relatives to keep score for themselves?

Are you looking through your green colored glasses again?

One thing to point out is that we don't have a lot of upmarket clubs with a nice clubhouse & catering along with all the trimmings like on site gun shop, level parking and well manicured grounds. Registered shooting isn't where those places make their money, the daily pay and play shooters along with coaching fees, open days, shop sales etc are what pay the bills. Most monthly shoots are held at comparatively rough and ready places with limited catering and often with no dry pathways or hard areas for parking. Winter often means boots to cross fields or land that was grass yesterday but pretty sticky on shoot day. These places with minimal overheads can make money from registered comps. On Sunday for example, a monthly shoot 40 or so miles from me had an entry of 156 registered and a few non reg shooters and with just a one time cost of about 15 staff the gross profit is significant. That's basically the model for most and it keeps costs reasonable and most shooters seem happy as long as the targets are good.

No.

Thanks. I've seen video's of your local shoots and every station or squad has a trapper/scorer. Just wanted to make sure it was the norm. The video's on English Sporting Clay's are great. The clubs look just fine. And no speeding Gran Prix of golf carts. And the shooters seem to be really well attired.

^^^^^^^^^^ This. Spot on.

My golf cart bill from Dever was $608 for 5 days this year at Nationals. I don’t have to get one, but I want one and there’s no crying about it. -That’s just the way it is and if you don’t like it, then stay home.

Going to a big event has never been cheap but I consider the education learned from it worth twice the price.

Experience that cannot be had any other way than the hard way:
Show up. Shoot. Learn. Regroup. Practice. Shoot again. What’s wrong? What’s right? Learn more. Repeat. Learn to be process driven, not outcome driven.

Crybabies usually have about a 4 year life span in shooting sports. They make it to their Senior shooting year and realize they’ve been trying to quit the whole time.


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The practice......REAL practice. Hard practice, is what most don’t understand is the only real secret.

Tournament day is payoff day. You find out what you need to go work on. Many shooters don’t want to hear that, but that’s the wY it is to be good at anything.

Practice? Hell you say. Sounds like work. Heretic....

I know, I know......what was I thinking?;-)

The conversation was about the method CPSA uses to classify shooters and, tangentially, does CPSA permit SYO. Trickster responded concisely to both questions. Abruptly, the topic changed to "you won't get better if you don't work at it and practice." That is certainly true, but how did we get there from CPSA classification?

Thread drift happens, but that was a sudden change of direction, even for SGW. Clearly, I missed critical detail.

I do think some shooters are run off by what they see at some of these SYO shoots. People don't wish to pay $75/80 per hundred to be cheated. Using an average system like the CPSA doesn't allow for ignoring current poor performance.