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 Post subject: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:36 pm 
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What do these terms mean in relation to shells?


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:41 pm 
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Just means one has a high metal base, the other a low metal base.

Really has nothing to do with power of the shell, though at one time it did and the thought stuck as well----mostly with hunters.

Probably some of the meanest shells I have ever shot, for 1 1/8 oz they were the meanest, were made by Activ and had no metal base at all, all plastic, just a thin flat steel shim at the primer base.

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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:45 pm 
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not much these days many years ago it used to mean how powerfull the shell was high brass (just means the brass head of the shell was longer) used to be the more powerfull
with modern powders and wadding the brass height makes no difference other than cause ejection problems on some styles of gun


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:32 pm 
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Amazing the premium they manage to charge for the high brass without demonstrating any performance difference.


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:05 pm 
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Now the "brass" turned to steel.I did hear a rumor around the campfire that Activ is coming back with a full line from slugs to trap loads.My only experience with them was slugs.Great product.

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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:21 am 
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Thanks for the info.


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:15 am 
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Back in the day of paper hulls they needed the high brass for magnam loads because they had more powder and would burn little holes in the paper...so they started making high brass to protect the paper. Now a days it's not needed.


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:21 am 
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If this is the case, then why do they make them and why am I buying them to go hunting? I mean, there is more kick to a high brass shotshell for hunting? Confused...I am :D


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:30 am 
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I wouldnt worry if the shells you use are high brass or not. I would worry about what type of load is right for your hunt. Lots of times heavy loads have high brass...they just come that way...but if the metal base was lower those shells would work just the same.

The kick will be a product of the load size and powder...heavier the load the bigger the kick. Although you could have two loads with the same load size but one could be "hotter" with more powder for higher speed and kick harder.

What kind of hunting do you do?


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:50 am 
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Interesting, but if it is "hotter" wasn't that the reason for the hight brass?
I starting hunting this year, we went for pheasant, hopefully gonna be going for wild turkey soon! Used number 6 or 5 bird shot for the pheasant, not sure what to use for the turkey though.
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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:30 pm 
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Now that they have plastic shells it does not matter. Thats the thing they used to be made of paper and would get pinhole burns in them...the plastic isnt bothered by it. I think since the hunters used to have high brass for bigger loads they expect it and want that in a shotshell...but it doesnt matter.

So yeah normally with the type of hunting you do one would buy a 1 1/4 oz load up to maybe 1 1/2 oz load. Pellet size might range from 4 to 6 depending on conditions.

Turkey loads are normally in a 3" or 3.5" shell and could be up to and over 2oz. Shot size could be about the same as one could use for pheasants. Again depending on conditions. You'd you larger shot for longer shots because it had more range....or if there is a lot of brush that you have to shoot thought perhaps. Although I'm not really a turkey hunter so I don't have much advice to offer on turkey loads.


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:29 pm 
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Much of the terminolgy of shotgunnig is steeped in tradition. It is not easy for the newbie to keep it all straight.

I recommend that those new to the sport find a copy of Bob Brister's Shotgunning the Art and Science to explain things.

High and low brass is meaningless in modern shotshells just like dram equivalents is becoming.

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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
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It's a great testament to the power of marketing. Seems like where I buy I've seen the high brass in the same shell for about a 1/3 premium per box.


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 Post subject: Re: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:32 pm 
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kevinkoz wrote:
Interesting, but if it is "hotter" wasn't that the reason for the hight brass?
I starting hunting this year, we went for pheasant, hopefully gonna be going for wild turkey soon! Used number 6 or 5 bird shot for the pheasant, not sure what to use for the turkey though.
Koz


he meant the power of the shell, not the temperature...


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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:43 am 
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I disagree that it means nothing. Because of the tradition and marketing, ammo makers still produce loads that are for the hunters with high brass. You do often get what you pay for, in the way of a better patterning shell with the premium ammo. By the way I think only premium target ammo has brass bases. All the others are steel coated with brass.

I agree that the manufacturers and from a reloaders stand point one can put the same load in either High Base or Low Base shell as long as the internal design is the same. With the modern plastic hulls the brass is just cosmetic.

Talk to the outfitter or if hunting with experience friends as to what kind of shells to bring. If your shots will be close, you do not need premium ammo.

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 Post subject: re: "High Brass"; "Low Brass"
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:04 am 
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When a manufacturer decides on introducing a premium shell at a premium price, the first thing they do is make sure they have plenty of brass / steel showing. I am certain components are a secondary consideration. Power of marketing.

ps. I am not saying they can get away with poor shells in a high brass.


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