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 Post subject: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:52 pm 
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I have an old SxS shotgun and the only marking I can find is Utica Fire Arms Co. I believe it was made by Crescent Firearms but I am not sure. Can anyone help? I would also like to know where I can get parts for it.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:00 pm 
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I'm not sure who made it, but I pretty sure it not a Crescent..Some of them were made for Simmons Hardwre, in St Louis.. Both Stevens and Crescent made a gun labled "Utica Special".. I'll sarch further.. AS for parts, you have 2 chances, very slim and none at all.. Bushrod


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:49 am 
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The 1890 patent was issued to Sullivan Forehand of Forend Arms Co. The 1897 patent was issued to W H Davenport of Davenport Arms Co. Both of these companys we absorbed by The Hopkins & allen Arms Co, Forehand in 1902 and Davenport in 1909.. I believe the Utica Firearms guns were made by Hopkins & Allen.. Is your gun hammerless or exposed hamme, Sidelock or boxlock.. Bushrod


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:00 am 
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Look at Auction #72278729 on Gun Broker, and see if it resembles your gun.. Bushrod


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:06 pm 
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No, the gun on gunbroker does not resemble mine. I am going to try to post a photo to see if someone will be able to identify it. It has Simmons Hardware Co on the grip cap. I can find no other lettering on it except the serial # 25855.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:08 pm 
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I forgot to mention, the gun is a hammerless model.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:47 pm 
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I HAVE ADDED PHOTO HERE http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410 ... m=12&pos=0

THE PHOTO IS OF THE RECEIVER AND THE FRONT EDGE OF THE BUTTSTOCK. I NEED THE TRIGGERS AND RELATED ITEMS THAT ARE MISSING


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:40 am 
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I still thimk your gun was made by Hopkins & Allen, on the Sullivan Forehand patent.. Bushrod


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:56 am 
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Bushrod, I believe you are correct after looking at the parts diagram at Numrich gun parts. Now for the next question, does anyone know where I can find an exploded view of this receiver so I can figure exactly what parts I need to complete it. The parts diagram does not show how the parts are assembled in the receiver. thanks.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:31 am 
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After looking at some Hopkins & Allen shotguns on gun auctions I am not so sure. The receivers on the Hopkins & Allen shotguns are flared out where the forearm meets the receiver. The receiver on my gun is flat.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:56 am 
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The Hopkins & Allen Co is a very early company, dating back to 1867 and lasting to 1917.. Over the years H & A absorbed a lot of smaller makers and patents. Most notably Forehand Arms and Davenport Arms.. From 1900 to 1910 H & A were producing 13 different double guns, sidelocks and boxlocks, both hammered and hammerless.. Most H & A doubles encountered today are Sidelocks. Your gun is a boxlock and strongly resembles the Forehand Patent...I'm afraid you may be on a fools errand in trying to rebuild this gun, You don't mention sentimentality... Bushrod


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:04 pm 
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Bushrod, Yes this gun does have sentimental value to my nieces husband. It was his fathers, and both his father and the gun died in a house fire so I wanted to restore it for him as this is the only thing he has left of his fathers.


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 Post subject: re: Utica Fire Arms Co
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:23 pm 
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Thats very admireable.I wish I could be of more help.. Bushrod


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