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 Post subject: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:17 am 
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Beginning to reload the 410 using Win AAHS hulls and I am looking for your opinions pro/con on Hodgdon's powders, Lil'Gun vs H110.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:33 am 
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FRIDAYSHOOT1 wrote:
Beginning to reload the 410 using Win AAHS hulls and I am looking for your opinions pro/con on Hodgdon's powders, Lil'Gun vs H110.


H110 / W296 works better, longer hull life than Lil'Gun will give you.

H110 an W296 are basically the same powders.

Stick with the Winchester AAHS hulls, They're the best reloading an longest lasting .410 hull out there.

Edited to add this:

I use WC820 all the time now in .410 reloads. The reason I didn't say anything about 820 was because the OP didn't ask about it.

In my opinion it the best .410 powder out there right now. Price wise. It can be a pain sometimes because its so fine. I get good hull life out of AAHS's, 10-12 reloads with no problems.

I've got 32 lbs. of it, should last me awhile. It is going up in price but still cheaper than all of the other powders.

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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:36 am 
I now use .410 powder and I like it. Small volume, small drop weight. Meters like a dream. Nothing against H110 except it can be a stinker to meter because it is like dust and you drop more of it by weight which means it is less economical.
Hull life slightly better with H110.

Lots of knowledgeable guys are going to a surplus M1 carbine powder called wc820 which is very near to H110 (I think you use the same data) and you can get it for like 10 bucks a pound in larger lots. It trumps everything else for economy.

I have not used it. But Hang tight -there are guys that do and know about it who will report shortly, I am certain.


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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:48 am 
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Lil'gun is a denser powder than H110 and the pressures are higher. After the first couple of reloads cases change slightly and the volume of the H110 helps in my opinion. I load 16.3 grains of H110, orange pc wad and 227 grains of #9 and the load stays consistent through 9-10 reloads.


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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:46 am 
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In AAHS hulls, stick with W296, H110 or the military surplus WC820.

You'll get 10+ reloads with excellent crimps.

Those "new generation" .410 powders — Alliant 410 and Lil'Gun — are death on AAHS hulls and will severely reduce reload life:
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They don't seem to have that effect on other hulls.

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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:54 am 
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I load about 10k .410's a year and have been using Lill Gun for about 6 years or so. I have not noticed a significant decrease in hull life with the powder when loaded to 1200fps with a full 1/2 ounce load. I have used it in both the compression formed hulls and the HS hulls with good success and great patterns.

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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:12 am 
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Lil'Gun doesn't have quite the same deleterious affect on the AAHS hulls as Alliant 410.

That graph's not an isolated example, but was created after repeated firings of 25 hulls that started as once-fired.

The graph simply illustrates with the test group of 25 what I kept noticing after firing thousands of AAHS hulls using Alliant 410.

And if that powder doesn't have that affect on those hulls now, then Alliant has changed the formula since my experiences with it.

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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:24 am 
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Thanks for the input. Looks like I'll give H110 a try. The info on reloading is always very helpful, and appreciated.


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 Post subject: re: .410 Hodgdon Powder H110 vs Lil'Gun
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:16 pm 
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Alliant must ship a different 410 powder up north or they have changed the formula drastically. I did some research on this powder when it first came out and was very impressed with its very cool burning properties. As were many others as I remember, DL Marcum included. I lost only one AA compression formed (CF) hull to burnthrough in 8 loadings and saw no significant volumetric change in the hulls until 6 reloadings. My hulls showed no signs of burn on the hull ends even at 8 loadings. Admittedly I have not loaded any AA HS hulls with Alliant 410 yet as I have a rather plentifull supply of AA CF but the HS hull looks to be one that will last far longer than the CF.

Then there is LilGun. This is a hull eating monster of a powder. I burned up a lot of CF hulls using this powder and it is a widely known fact it is a very hot powder. I recently started loading some HS hulls with LilGun for volumetric issues to prepare for the inevitable time when all my CF hulls are gone. While they are a target crushing performer the hulls showed some burning even on the first reloading. ( LOAD = HS hull, W209, 13.3 grs LilGun, Rem PT410 wad with 1/2oz of hard 8.5s. ) H110 and 296 are not an option, although both are pretty hot and hard on CF hulls, as I load on a Spolar and the powder migration is a real issue. None of this is offered to start a pissin' contest. Just want to let whoever is interested know that my experiance with Alliant 410 has been very different and more satisfactory than its detractors. JMNSHO :) Ric

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