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 Post subject: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:48 am 
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I thought that the 500 had plastic trigger parts and the 590 was "mil spec" with NO plastic parts. Here is what Mossberg's website says:

First and foremost, the 500® is built to the same uncompromising mil-specs as the renowned Mossberg® 590®. Then a host of features are introduced - Quiet Carry™ dual-action bars, 3" chambers and an ambidextrous safety, to name a few.

What's the deal? I am interested in one of the combo kits and would like to know the "truth".

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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:43 pm 
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The 500 and the 590 are the same basic design. That just means the parts work together in the same way but may not interchange because some of them are slightly different sizes or different materials.

The 500 has a plastic trigger group, plastic safety, blue finish and a standard thickness barrel.

The 590 has a plastic trigger group, plastic safety, parkerized finish and a slightly thicker barrel.

The 590A1 has a metal trigger group, metal safety, parkerized finish and a very thick barrel and magazine tube.

Some parts like the safety fit all three guns. some parts like the barrel only fit certain guns. 590 and 590A1 parts are interchangeable.

Think of a 500 being a 1/2 ton truck, a 590 is a 3/4 ton, and a 590a1 would be the 1 ton dually. Different guns (and trucks) for different purposes. Some of their parts interchange.


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:09 pm 
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One other difference between a 500 and a 590 is that the barrel take-down screw is different. On a 500, the magazine tube is closed at the muzzle end except for a threaded hole into which the barrel mounting screw goes. The only way to remove the mag spring and follower is to unscrew the tube from the receiver. On a 590, the mag tube is open at the muzzle end with a simple tension plug holding in the spring and follower (which can be removed fairly easily). The barrel mounting screw is actually a threaded cap (or nut, I suppose) that screws over the end of the mag tube. It allows for more space for shells. To make matters more confusing, there are now 18.5" 500's being sold ("tactical" and "cruiser" models) with the 590-style mag tube!


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:50 pm 
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I was under the imression that "mil spec" was all metal parts - no plastic, and that's why they made the 590.
Thanks for the replies!


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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:09 pm 
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brewmonkey wrote:
I was under the imression that "mil spec" was all metal parts - no plastic, and that's why they made the 590.
Thanks for the replies!


Go check out an AR.
Plastic stock, Plastic grip, Plastic forearm. lotsa plastic parts.

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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:15 pm 
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brewmonkey wrote:
I was under the imression that "mil spec" was all metal parts - no plastic, and that's why they made the 590.
Thanks for the replies!


I have the M590A1 (part # 51668). It is the "mill spec" weapon. With all metal parts. Well accept for the forend and stock. A friend has a 590 (part # 50668). The biggest visable differance is the first 4-6" of the A1's barrel (reciever end) is WAY thicker. My trigger asembly is aluminum and so is the safety.

Having inspeced both weapons they are both VERY tough hardware. I have not closely inspected the 500's but everything I've seen and heard leads me to believe they are not as toughly built. I wouldn't think twice about using my M590A1 like a baseball bat if I was in a bad spot. My bet is it would be fine. I suspect a 500 would break in two.

Owe the 590 and M590A1 both have bayonet lugs...:) So if you want one of these bad boys forget the 500's.

http://www.lancay.com/content.php?content.36

I just reread your original post. If you mean the 500A combo that has a 18.5" and 26" barrel for like 230$ my brother got one of those just recently. He loves it because its good for home def and he can hunt with it. However he also has a 1000$ AR15 and an SKS. So if/when armegedon happens he's got it covered.

Owe yeah you can't get long barrels for the 590's. The barrel and ammo tube are one part. As far as I know 18.5" and 20" are the only options.

Plus most 500's are 5+1 capacity. All of the 20" 590's are 8+1.

500A - Cheap, good for running off a burgler/basic protection, and hunting. 200-300$
590 - Civilianized so its cheeper 350-500$
M590A1 - WW III no problem...:) 400-550$


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:39 pm 
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well the question now is if one has an 8 shot capasity 500 will the 590 barrel fit on it? or does that particular barrel fit on the 835 if you installed a 8 shot mag tube? i rember reading somewhere that teh 590 fit on an 835 because the 835 has the cap instead of the thing built into the mag tube's end.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:09 am 
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Kzadeun wrote:
... teh 590 fit on an 835 because the 835 has the cap instead of the thing built into the mag tube's end.


You are correct, but you have to have a 6-shot 590 AND you can't shoot 3-1/2" shells from the 590, they won't eject through the 3" port.


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:42 pm 
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they make 6 shot 590's? 0_o


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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:33 am 
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Kzadeun wrote:
they make 6 shot 590's? 0_o

I think the 14 inch models are 6 shot


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:42 pm 
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I realize this is an old thread but,

I was wondering if you can put the pistol grip from the 500 Pursuader/cruiser (50411/50440) on the 590 (50660)?

Also, I was trying to find the M590A1 on the mossberg website. closest product number i got was the 51663. is that the one?

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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:23 am 
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all rear grips are interchangeable, the front grip on the 590 requires a spacer (9 shot) if you want a pistol grip front. most time mossy doesnt really advertize mil/le models much. if you go on the web sight and check the 590 models carefully you'll find it.

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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:37 am 
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BIG_SHOT wrote:
Also, I was trying to find the M590A1 on the mossberg website. closest product number i got was the 51663. is that the one?


I think the way it works is, the 50xxx part numbers are the "standard" 590's and the 51xxx part numbers are the 590A1's.

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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:42 pm 
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Dark_Man wrote:
brewmonkey wrote:
I was under the imression that "mil spec" was all metal parts - no plastic, and that's why they made the 590.
Thanks for the replies!

Owe the 590 and M590A1 both have bayonet lugs...:) So if you want one of these bad boys forget the 500's.


Does anyone know if it would take a Vietnam Era M7 bayonet? Its the same as the M16 one. I'm eying a mossberg 590 SP 9 shot with a heat guard serial #50660. Thanks.


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:09 pm 
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yip it will, if you have the bayonett lug. ive got an m-7 and m-9 both work fine. not all models have the lug, i got a mil overun barrel thru havlins. it has the lug and is super heavy wall, threaded for win-chokes. i would suggest this barrel to anyone with a 9 shot 590.

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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:55 pm 
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Darkman a 500 is a real good hunting gun and with a rifled barrel. It has range and atitude! I have shot a lot of deer with my 500. Here in Iowa it is shot gun only across the state. We do have a small area that we can use a rifle for doe only. But shotgun season is where the deer fall. Some are at about 200yds with sabots. The 500 does field duty too. With a 28" vent rib barrel with 3 different chokes for bird shooting. 500s do alot of hunting. If you are sure it will break in two. Would you let me try mine on you? :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:14 pm 
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cbsaf wrote:
Think of a 500 being a 1/2 ton truck, a 590 is a 3/4 ton, and a 590a1 would be the 1 ton dually. Different guns (and trucks) for different purposes. Some of their parts interchange.

Funny you say that. I rock the 590A1 AND drive a 1 ton dually.
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The 590 is milspec, and was the initial Marine contract from Mossberg. They came back and wanted some changes, which resulted in the 590A1, and then the Marines started looking at the 9200 and the Benelli M4.
There are a lot of 500s that have heavier barrels like the 590A1. The Navy wanted these for shipboard use since the thinner barrels got bent up running through passageways and doing other nautical things.

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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:06 pm 
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590 barrel and magazine tube will go on 500 receiver
I just converted a 500 7+1 cruiser to 8+1.

fit and functions. love it just wish I could find another 590 barrel
for second go though got last 590 barrel deal someone had.

heavywall barrels with chokes may not take bayonets because the magazine cap lug isnt contoured to take the handle of the bayonet instead it has a hole for sling swivel stud. which is silly cause the rear lug has the bayonet lug and sling swivel stud.

havent tried every part from 590 in 500 but dont see any difference that just sticks out. bet most difference is with 590A1s


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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:59 pm 
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my hvy wall choke tube barrel takes bayonets? where did you get the idea that it wouldnt? yes it has the swivel stud but it doesnt interfear with the bayonet. as i see most if not all mag caps for the 590 series and 835 for that matter have the same profile, just some barrels dont have the lug. yes most 590 parts will interchange with 500 or 835. i used an 835 saddle mount for my 590. the 500 wouldnt fit for some reason. b-square now labels their 835 saddle mounts as 590/835 now.

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 Post subject: re: Mossberg 500 VS 590
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:37 am 
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I said may not. not to be confused with cannot.

I say that cause my friend has a 590 with a heavy wall barrel and the barrel lug for the magazine cap doesnt have the recess for the handle of the bayonet milled in. instead it is has a hole in the middle threaded and tapped to take a mossberg sling stud.

I am not talking about the sling stud on the second lug behind the bayonet lug. its nothing a good sized round file and some patience wouldnt fix.


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