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 Post subject: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:19 pm 
Has anyone bought or shot one of guns. I have been thinking of starting trap shooting again and didn't want to go all crazy like i did when i was younger..The price is unbeleievable and it really looks good. Any info would help




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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:41 pm 
Have bought three of these in the last three years. 180046 12ga for myself. 180045 20ga for my wife and the 410 for my son(I dont remember the model number off hand and had to special order through Gander Mountain). All three are solid well built guns for the money. the wood to metal fit is very good and we have had no problems. we use the guns mostly for hunting. I do use mine for shooting clays 2-3 times a year as well. The finish of the guns is good, however the checkering on the stocks is rather shallow in a couple of spots. I think they are great guns for the money. I was very happy to see some reasonable double guns come to the market a few years back.
Do stop at your local stores and hold a few Baikals,Stoegers and Verona's for yourself.
Some guys will tell you to spend the money for the Citori, Ruger Etc...
I hunt with the same type of guys and usually end up with more birds.
I regularly golf with friends who have to have the best ( Calloway,Taylor Made, Etc...) We play fairly evenly and I even beat them sometimes( with my 15 year old Wilson's)
Just my 2 cents...
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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:16 pm 
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I bought an IZH27, and immediately smoked the first 18 clays with it. After that I started to shoot more like usual tho.

In case you hadn't noticed, the gun has a little cast-off, so a lefty might not like it much. Thus far the problems I've had with mine have been: the firing pin for the bottom barrel has not retracted after firing, very occasionaly, and made it difficult to open the breech. And once it doubled when I selected the top barrel to fire first. It's not the finest O/U you can buy, but I bet you'll have a hard job finding a better one for the price.


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:48 pm 
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A friend of mine purchased an IZH-27 a couple of weeks ago and several of us got together with him for a round of sporting clays and to get a look at his new Russkie stackbarrel.

For the money it appeared to be a good buy. As has been mentioned, the cast-off is appreciable and this puts me off because of my left-handedness (you look down the barrel and the thing positively points to the right, big time.)

My friend had one incident during the round of the gun failing to fire the 2nd barrel. I don't know why, but it happened. I was under the impression that these things have mechanical rather than inertial triggers, so malfunctions of this type should not occur?

The other problem with this gun is that as a sporting model you have to wonder why the safety is automatic. There were several wasted clays (when all of us tried the 27) due to this peculiarism.

This experience of the IZH-27 has lead me to conclude that this is not the way to go in a sporting O/U - I would save the money or take out a 2nd mortgage and buy a better gun, but that's me.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:58 pm 
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I got one, like it.
for the money, hard to go wrong,
my brother got one to, his had a better trigger pull than mine did,
i did a little trigger work on mine, they don't have real nice triggers like a more spendy O/U would, but if your just getting back in to have fun, go for it. i want one in a 28 ga. but haven't talked myself into it yet.


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:02 pm 
Decent gun for the money. Good for field use. Triggers are NOT mechanical.


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 12:07 am 
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My IZH-27, 20 gauge has fired over a thousand rounds without any malfuction. The gun points very good and the cast off is just about right for me. I did cut 1/2 inch off the stock to shorten the LOP. For the money this gun gives good service. I would like to buy a IZH-27 Sporting in 12 gauge as soon as they become available. :)


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:17 am 
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I have had problems with my IZH 27 .In the year of ownership and about a 2000 rounds I first had to put finish on the stocks, then cure a sticky firing pin after that Have the stock glued and fitted to the reciever because the gun to metal was wrong which screwed my whole hunting season. I think if you are going to shoot at a range its best to spend in 1000-1500 and get a solid gun that you can put 10,000 rounds through trouble free. You will get a gun that doesn't come with a bunch of hassle and you will be happier longer, not to mention resale if you hate it. I didn't even make it a year before a upgraded.

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:38 am 
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leadhead wrote:
I have had problems with my IZH 27 .In the year of ownership and about a 2000 rounds I first had to put finish on the stocks, then cure a sticky firing pin after that Have the stock glued and fitted to the reciever because the gun to metal was wrong which screwed my whole hunting season.
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Finish on stock - Asthetic
Sticky pin - Could happen to any O/U, and I've seen it happen
Stock - How was the wood to metal "wrong"?

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:02 pm 
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Finish on stock - Asthetic

Sure I love paying for a gun and having the stock tarnishing on the third outing. Isn't a gun partly aesthetic, hence the phrase "look and feel". How about a trouble free round of of clays? What's the aesthetic value of that?

Sticky pin - Could happen to any O/U, and I've seen it happen.

It sure is nice to take a new gun out of the box and down to the range, thinking that you got a great gun and then having to break it over your knee every time to extract the shells. Pretty disappointing. Look at the the post on www.sportingclays.net and see how many other are moaning about stiff actions. Not to mention the great feeling of having the skeet squads you're shooting with ducking for c27 owners over because you're enganged in mortal combat over your spent shells. Maybe that would fall back in the aesthetics category. The gun shows excessive wear and the gunsmith says that the the ends of the firing pins are mashing out like tent stakes because the metal is soft. So plan on having the problem happen often.

Stock - How was the wood to metal "wrong"?

When the stock was fitted to the receiver they cut the space too small for the action and it split the stock like a wedge, causing it to crack in two places on the right side.

So what do I do with this Russian elephant? I have put too much effort into it to let it go for the low price it would sell for. As one dealer replied when I asked him about a trade-in, "there'd be blood in the Streets."

It is my first o/u and its a good gun to shoot once in a while but if I knew how much I was going to like shooting clays when I first bought the gun I would have set my sites higher. Or maybe shot for a year with my 1100 and formed a better decision.

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:31 am 
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Greetings from Finland

I am new Baikal IJ27 12/76 owner. My opinion is: decent gun, low price. You need better? Spend much more money. Dont have lots of money? Buy Baikal :P

Some serious words though: Take the forend off and check the markings of the barrels. 90mpa? No magnums, sir (at least not over 90mpa magnums :)). No steel shot marking? I would not put steel in the chamber.

Anyway: My dealer gave me written verification that I can use magnums. So I use them...so far :?

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:39 am 
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The EAA manual shows that the IZH-27 can shoot steel shot.

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:21 am 
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dervari wrote:
The EAA manual shows that the IZH-27 can shoot steel shot.


Sure

I've seen that. But gun is not tested for steel shots because there is no steelshot proofed mark in the barrel. Russians have just the same mark for steelshot proof as others. Possibly Your gun is tested and there is also mark but mine not.

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:48 am 
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Here are russian proof stamps for You. In the case you want to check your gun...

http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/ ... leimat.pdf

Hope the link works.

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:50 am 
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Joe,

It depends on how much shooting you're going to do on the clays course with the gun. The IZH27 is in my opinion designed to be a hunting gun, and works well in that venue. The auto-safety is a royal pain in the behind on the clays course.

I have about 10,000 rounds through my IZH27 and have had no mechanical problems to speak of. The gun was very tight out of the box, and with a thorough cleaning and dressing up of the wearing surfaces, it loosened up nicely.The finish on the wood is very thin and will require some work if aesthetics are a concern. The wood used in the stocks isn't the finest hardwood. EAA has sent replacement stocks to several individuals who had problems with splitting.

In nearly all cases of complaints I've heard on the gun, the individual did not disassemble and thoroughly clean and lubricate the gun. They just took it out of the box and started shooting. With the sticky rust preventative in the works, parts don't move freely and things can get bent or damaged when trying to force the gun open.

An ounce of preventative care and common sense goes a long way.


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:52 pm 
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My wife just bought me one for christmas(she didnt hide it very well). i am curious about the rating for lead vs steel. since i havent opened the gun and read the manual, i was hoping someone could shead some light on the subject. THANKS!

Peter


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:03 pm 
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You can contact EAA regarding the use of steel shot. If memory serves me correctly, all of the Baikals imported the last two years are rated for steel.


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:05 am 
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wing_shooter wrote:
i am curious about the rating for lead vs steel. since i havent opened the gun and read the manual, i was hoping someone could shead some light on the subject. THANKS!

Peter


Contact EAA if your gun does not have steelproof mark. I hope it has. Sometimes these russian rules are littlebit confusing (just imagine how long borderline with russians we finns have :cry: ) .

I dunno why they dont put the stamp in the gun if the gun is steelproofed. Maybe they dont do the tests because they trust the gun. But when there is your personal safety in question you cant be too careful. My decision is "no steel" until my dealer gives me written and signed verification that the gun can stand iron or puts the gun thru the test.

By the way: this bbs is just awesome. Good quality discussions and polite manners :)

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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:25 am 
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Thanks! gunna call them today. i am also going to ask them about passing hevi-shot through. i see my chokes are all lead labeled and i have read the other posts about which tubes to get.

but my question is, if its lead rated does that mean only lead and NO hevi-shot? hopfully they can answer that as well.

Peter


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 Post subject: Re: izh-27 baikal o/u shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:54 pm 
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I have an IZH27 20ga. with nickel receiver, 26" barrels, and walnut stock model. I bought this gun to get back into skeet and am very pleased with it. The fit and finish is very good and have had none of the problems that others speak of.

The trigger is mechanical, the selectable ejectors/extractors are a great feature not found on many, more expensive guns, and the barrel selector, via pushing the trigger forward to select top barrel, works as it should. I wasn't fond of the automatic safety, but it only takes a few rounds to remember to take it off before calling for your clay. It can also be disabled if it really bothers you that much.

The action was a little tight at first, but became easier after a few rounds. I think any new gun should be disassembled, cleaned and lubed before use. The Baikal is no different.

At the skeet range my Baikal has performed flawlessly, except when Winchester forgot to put shot in my AA's. :lol: Everyone I shoot with use much more expensive guns, but have accepted me and my cheap Baikal without criticism. One of the best shooters even made a comment that my Baikal reminded him of a "K" gun. LOL

Well, it's no "K" gun, and it's not a "B" gun, but it's a great gun for the money, and I'm glad I didn't spend three or four times what I did. I would definitely buy it again.

Just my experience and opinions,
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