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 Post subject: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:25 pm 
I am an 80 yr old who has not been a shotgun person. My 88-yr old brother died in November/AZ; I received the `Family Shotgun,' ~100 yr old Stevens Model 235, Dbl Brl, external hammer, no serial # nor any info as to gauge, choke, etc. Father was born in 1884. The ID of the exit of the barrel is 0.652". The rear ID is ~0.740" as measured as the `B' diameter by the David A. Cushman website (Shotgun Cartridges, by Calibre and Load'). I assume that this gun is a 16 gauge shotgun? I had always been told that it was a 12 gauge??

The gun was shipped to me from Arizona by FedEx and the ear was broken off of the righthand external hammer (in transit). I need the gauge to identify the replacement hammer - that I will hopfully locate on the internet.

Does anyone have any better way to identify (I am not in a positon at the moment to take it to a gunsmith).

Oliver W. Siebert




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 Post subject: Re: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:40 pm 
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Sounds like a 12 ga to me
Common Choke Restrictions Shotgun bore diameters
.000 restriction - cylinder
.005 restriction - skeet
.010 restriction - improved cylinder
.015 restriction - light modified
.020 restriction - modified
.025 restriction - improved modified
.030 restriction - light full
.035 restriction - full
.040 restriction - extra full 10 gauge = .775 inches

12 gauge = .729 inches
16 gauge = .662 inches
20 gauge = .615 inches
28 gauge = .550 inches

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 Post subject: Re: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:43 pm 
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Mr Siebert,

The diameter of a 16 gauge bore is supposed to be .662". The muzzle end of the barrel will usually be smaller due to the choke near the muzzle end. Since you said the muzzle opening was .652", that would mean that the gun has about .010" constriction, or about Improved Cylinder choke.

Based on the information you furnished and the information on bore size which I got from a Hercules (now Alliant) Powder Company reloading manual, I would say that the gun is a 16 gauge gun. Best wishes to you. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:49 pm 
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For old and obsolete parts, you might check Numrich. Here is the link:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/

Numrich lists SOME parts for the 235 and they may know of other sources.

Wisner's, another service, may be able to make you a part. Here is a link to their home page:

www.gunpartsspecialist.com/shotguns/shotgun_start.html

Also, you can look through the Shotgunworld "links" page under "Gunsmiths and Parts". Here is the link:

http://www.shotgunworld.com/parts.html

Interestingly, I visited the Savage / Stevens website ( I myself own an old, cheap, and beloved Stevens single-shot). And I gleaned the following somewhat distressing, yet understandable, material:

"Savage Arms Inc. will provide service on all firearms manufactured after November 1, 1995 (prior to serial #F498821), as this was the date Savage was acquired by its current management. We regret we are unable to provide service for firearms made prior to November 1, 1995 but our current judicial system allows frivolous lawsuits, as evidenced by the number of state and city suits filed against the firearms industry. If the new Savage company serviced products made before November 1, 1995 (prior to serial #F498821), we could be considered responsible for the prior owners liabilities, real or imagined.

Parts for firearms manufactured prior to serial number F498821 may be purchased from:

Ahlman’s Inc. (*)
9525 230th Street West
Morristown, MN 55052
507-685-4244

Jack First Distributors (*)
1201 Turbine Drive
Rapid City, SD 57703
605-343-9544

Western Gun Parts LTD
18124-107 Avenue
Edmonton, AB T5S 1K5
780-489-5711

Bob’s Gun Shop
P.O. Box 200
Royal, AR 71968
501-767-1970

Brownells, Inc.
200 South Front Street
Montezuma, IA 50171
641-623-4000

Numrich Gun Parts Corp
226 Williams Lane, P.O. Box 299
West Hurley, NY 12491
866-686-7424

Small Arms Shop (*)
3262 South Eagle Point
Inverness, FL 34450
352-637-4770

Trader’s Den (*)
1655 Olson Drive
Cook, MN 55723
218-666-5083

Guns & Gun Parts Are Us
983 Westfield Street
West Springfield, MA 01089
413-732-9938

Gander Mountain Parts (*)
12400 Fox River Road
Wilmot, WI 53192
262-862-6848"

I hope I haven't inudated you with semi-useful information--often I like to post stuff that other readers might find useful. Peruse at your leisure, and if we can be of further help to you in your parts search, please do feel free to post again. Many of the moderators and shotgun experts in these forums--unlike myself--have nearly encyclopaediac knowledge :) Marland S. and Ulysses, who posted regarding the gauge of your shotgun, are two of the best, and there are others as well.

All the best,

Jeff23

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 Post subject: Re: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:46 pm 
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It would appear that it is a 16ga to me. You might want to have a gunsmith look at it beforehand if you intend to shoot it to check chamber length and overall soundness, to be safe.

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 Post subject: Re: What is Gauge of 100-yr old Stevens Model 235 Dbl Brl?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:48 am 
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Yup. pumper is ecactly right. The old guns were built for lower pressure ammo (which is readily available from various sources). I would add that there is no good official standard for a competent gunsmith that I have been able to determine, so get yourself a guy who does full-time repair and customizing work on guns, as opposed to standing around selling them behind a coiunter.



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