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 Post subject: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:56 pm 
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Does anyone have experience with the accuracy level that can be obtained with the Browning Semiauto .22, fitted with a scope with the barrel mount?

I am refering to this model;

http://www.browning.com/products/catalo ... ype_id=001

I owned a couple on the past but that was the 1970's and we still used the grooved receiver scope mounts in those day which is not the best choice, given the takedown system.

I know some may not like scoping one of these but I am facing up to the effects of being 55 :shock:


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:46 pm 
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I have one that I bought new in 1961 and fitted with a Browning(Redfield) scope and Browning mounts on the grooved receiver. I have not had any problems with accuracy to this day.
I not talking target rifle, but a great squirrel/plinking rifle.


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:27 am 
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This one was my Dad's, It's a '58(?) Wheel sight. It has never had a scope on it. It is great for squirrels, rabbits, pine cones, gum balls, knot holes, heck just pick a target. A scope would have probably made it unfair.
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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:30 am 
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Dang, looking at that picture makes me want to grab a brick and head to the woods. I haven't shot that thing in a while.


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 Post subject: Re: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:11 am 
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A5Mag12 wrote:
A scope would have probably made it unfair.


For most of us 50+, it is a very rare individual that can see and use a set of open sights like they could in their 20's.

If you can, you are one of the fortunate few :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:25 am 
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Hey A5, I have that "exact" same gun including the yr. They are works of art aren't they?

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This one was my Dad's, It's a '58(?) Wheel sight. It has never had a scope on it. It is great for squirrels, rabbits, pine cones, gum balls, knot holes, heck just pick a target. A scope would have probably made it unfair.
[img][img]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u148/A5Mag12/DCP_2240.jpg[/img]
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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:04 am 
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Yes, my 61' is just like that also, with the "wheel" sight. What a neat looking sight these were.
Mine has extremely nice wood. The stocks were also attached differently in those days.
I also have a fitted Browning case that would accommodate the scope mounted on the receiver or the barrel. The first cases would only accommodate the scope mounted one way, but I can't remember which.
At point in time, the barrel also had to be drilled and tapped for the Browning scope mount and the "wheel" sight had to be removed.
The .22 Autos of that period are truly a great part of Browning history.


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:06 pm 
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Here is one gun that I had converted with a scope base and a quick testfire without sandbags at 50 yards:

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I do a lot of special work and custom jobs. See one here:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... p?t=273271

Trouble was that I found some factory defects and saw a similar condition in one article from the American Rifleman, so I posted about the problem here:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho ... p?t=277701

If you have any input of a similar problem in a revolver that you examined, I would appreciate you posting details of the same problem at that thread.

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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:41 pm 
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kirbythegunsmith

Thanks, that's the kind of info I was looking for :D

Have you had any experience as to how accuracy of the Browning Semiauto .22 compares with a Remington 572 Pump .22?

I have never shot a 572 or seen one apart but have never been to enthused on the aluminum alloy receiver on the 572 or the mode of barrel attachment.


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:35 am 
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How in the heck did you know that I had used one of those 572's as the other gun in an article with the Browning?

(Keep in mind that I had condensed the paragraphs to make all the print fit on one sheet, and had little room for text vs. what I wanted to convey in the limited article space)

Perhaps this will answer some questions for you.
The picture sheet is copied just below. I used the max. size available to make the photo of the photocopy useful. Hope it's readable for you.
I may be able to repost in another format, if necessary, but that will take a bit more effort and time investment.

Let me know what you think of the article.
I posted 2 original pics below the article copy.

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 Post subject: Re: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:34 pm 
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kirbythegunsmith wrote:
How in the heck did you know that I had used one of those 572's as the other gun in an article with the Browning?


Its a gift I have :wink: :lol: (Actually, a complete coincidence :oops: )

kirbythegunsmith wrote:
Let me know what you think of the article.


Very intersting, I could see where the .22 scope base would not be "up" to the recoil of a slug load; I don't know why some people do these things.

The write-up and the pictures of the 572 were interesting and reminded me of why I never bought a 572 in the last 38 years.

I like 870's and 1100's and have put a lot of rounds through them on trap ranges since 1976.

This doesn't mean I buy everything with "Remington" on it. The 572 is not an inexpensive gun to buy and at least, here, is getting close to the cost of the Browning Semiauto .22.

I have studied the drawings and parts diagrams over the years and IMHO, the barrel attachment method on the 572 is just wrong and not in keeping with the price.

At least the Browning Semiauto .22 is a very old, traditional, all steel design, factory tapped for a barrel mount on the new production guns. I would choose one over a 572.

I am not a big time rifle guy but do enjoy them when I can and I like accuracy. My favourite .22 is my CZ ZKM452 LUX that I bought new in 1973 (barrel is threaded into a steel receiver in that one), it wears a Leupld 2.5x compact; the blame with any poor shots with that belongs to me :oops: , not the gun.

If someone would buy me one of the new T Bolts, I would be willing to do an extended test and report in once and a while :wink:


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:49 pm 
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I love my Browning .22 Auto and it is accurate, but if I were going to buy a new .22 auto that is said to be super accurate, I would take a serious look at the Thompson/Center Classic. It is Steel and Walnut. It can be had with a synthetic stock.


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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:12 pm 
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Ole Cowboy,

The T/C Classic is a very nice rifle with a great trigger out of the box. I had one and it shot very tight groups. It did leave a lot of blow back powder residue in the action, IMHO much worse than a Ruger 10/22. My favorite .22 semiauto is a high quality custom Ruger 10/22 with a high grade barrel and aftermarket trigger, etc. I have two and they are keepers.

Some years ago, I had a Japanese .22 Short Browning semiauto and had problems with the barrel working loose from the reciever, affecting accuracy. I think the take down joint is the weak point in that design. I traded it. Also traded the T/C Classic. Kept the Rugers.

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 Post subject: re: O/T Browning Semiauto .22 Accuracy?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:42 pm 
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I'd hate to try and count the bricks that have been shot through mine with nothing ever working loose. I don't think the gun has a weak point at all.


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