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 Post subject: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:29 am 
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Can someone tell me the difference between the R12H Remington wad and the RXP12 wad from Remington. Is either one better suited to field use vs clays or something, I see that they are both 1 1/8 oz loads so whats the difference
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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:57 pm 
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Clear as black mud to me--Lyman #4 Manual-(I'm paraphrasing)--"RXP12...white 12 ga wad---two-tier leg and ribbed shot cup...used mostly for 1 1/8 target loads " "R12H...white 12 ga wad..very narrow second tier leg section..ribbed shot cup petal wad designed for high velocity field loads w/ 1 1/8 ounces shot." To further confuse the issue on pg 188, same manual,Rem premier case (same load data as STS, Gun Club,etc.) Rem 209P primer, 21 gr Green Dot--RXP12,1230fps,11500psi and R12H, 1231fps, 11400psi.(Just for dessert, they also show Rem Fig 8, same everything else, at 1226fps, 11300 psi. Similar data for Peters Blu Magic hull, pg. 180. Data for AA varies a little more due to use of W209 for one and CCI for other. I doubt this has done other than confuse both of us, but I tried to answer!


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:17 pm 
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My recollection is the R12H was for 1 ounce field loads in the old R-P high-base All American and earlier target hulls, and high-base field load hulls of that era.

Added due to p.m.

Remington.com shows this:

http://www.remington.com/products/ammun ... tshell.asp

HUNTING SHOTSHELL POWER PISTON ONE-PIECE WADS (250 PER BAG)
SP10 26656 10 Gauge 1-5/8 to 2-1/4oz.
R12L 29922 12 Gauge 1 oz.
R12H 29924 12 Gauge 1-1/8 oz.
RP12 29926 12 Gauge 1-1/4 oz.
SP12 29928 12 Gauge 1-1/4 oz.
SP16 29934 16 Gauge 1-1/8 oz.
SP20S 24378 20 Gauge 1 oz.

A very old Lyman book shows R12H, R12L, and SP12 in 1 ounce loads. That's confusing.

But I'm pretty sure they were for the old high-base hulls, and therefore I don't expect there is much use for them in today's hulls.

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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:52 pm 
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I'll add that the RXP wad is shorter than the Figure 8 wad and was intended for use with bulky powders.


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:03 pm 
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I guess my point is can they be used somewhat interchangeably at the lower end of the pressure range. I find them alot at sales and such but I need to know some recipes for them or if they can be used similar to the RXP
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 Post subject: Re: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:04 am 
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mallardshoot wrote:
can they be used somewhat interchangeably at the lower end of the pressure range


Probably not a good idea since the lower end of the pressure range you are referring to is associated with a specific wad design different than the one you want to substitute. Who knows what the pressure would be with whatever substitutions you are contemplating. Just measure the difference in weight between the wads you are thinking about interchanging with the specified wad and you'll begin to see that there has to be a difference in pressure. You cannot accurately extrapolate safety results from these substitutions. There are way too many published recipes, using inexpensive components that have been proven safe, to rationalize a shot-in-the-dark experiment like this. JMO.

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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:13 am 
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It might be worth a call to Kevin Lewis at Downrange Manufacturing. He may have information on these wads since wads are his business. He might know who to talk to if he doesn't know about them himself.


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:00 am 
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There was a post sometime back that had the Rem wad no's as shown in Em Are Skeet's post above, and also showed the crossover to the Rem "R---" numbers. If anyone is interested, I can find the post number and either post it here or PM it to them.


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 am 
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I'm interestd if you could post or PM them
Thanks
Rick


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:23 am 
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How much do you pay for them at sales? How much does a similar amount of new, Downrange wads cost? Is it worth the hassle?


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:35 am 
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ckmwr777,
haven't paid anything yet because I need more info first but the last deal I could have had 2500 for $25, heck of a lot less than I can get the DR wads even at wholesale prices.


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:29 pm 
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Just in case anyone is wondering i did find a recipe for these that will work with my components:
Rem. SP hull
Win 209
Red Dot 18.5grs
Rem. R12H wad
1 1/8oz shot
Vel: 1181 fps
Pres: 10,300 LUP
thanks for all your input
Rick


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 Post subject: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:32 pm 
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Great! Go for it!


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 Post subject: Re: re: Remington wads
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:13 pm 
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mallardshoot wrote:
Just in case anyone is wondering i did find a recipe for these that will work with my components:
Rem. SP hull
Win 209
Red Dot 18.5grs
Rem. R12H wad
1 1/8oz shot
Vel: 1181 fps
Pres: 10,300 LUP
thanks for all your input
Rick


Glad you found some published data. 10,300LUP isn't exactly at the lower end of the pressure range...thus the recommendation against component substitutions. Happy reloading to you!



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