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 Post subject: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK HERE
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:15 pm 
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There are lots of questions on proof marks and date of manufacture.
Explore each link for the answer to the stampings on your water tables and barrel flats.

Importance of Proof and some explanations
http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/doc ... 02CC7E8CEE ·

Makers Marks and date codes
http://personales.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones.html
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm

CIP signatories proof marks, to include the marking for steel shot:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/ ... nco_en.pdf

Choke Markings

http://www.hallowellco.com/choke_chart.htm

http://www.ssaa.org.au/stories/shotguns ... hokes.html

post 1994 gun code/date markings, pg 56

Older AyA catalog with a history of Basque gunmaking and some good reference material on AyA serial numbers and date of manufacture. This has the new serial number method of dating in it. See pages 56 and 57 for serial number information, and date & gun codes and 55 for finish type questions

http://www.aya-fineguns.com/archivos/va ... ue_AYA.pdf

REGARDING STEEL SHOT: PLEASE READ BELOW

Before asking the question, you should be able to do the homework and decide whether you want to take the risk or not. The decision is yours alone to make. It is your gun, fingers and face.

Because of the multitude of questions regarding this subject, I have found and I am including a link to a document that explains very well if you can use steel shot in guns proofed for steel and not proofed for steel.

http://www.chircuprodimpex.ro/produse/a ... nition.pdf

Please read and digest it. Included in the document are chapters regarding HIGH PERFORMANCE and STANDARD PERFORMANCE loads. Shot size, shot charge weight, momentum generated and shot velocity are all factors.

In short, a high performance steel shot shell should only be used in guns with the steel shot proof mark, the Fleur de Lis.

Standard steel shot shells (meeting CIP standards, not SAAMI standards. Remember the guns were proofed to CIP standards) can be used in guns not proofed for steel shot if the following conditions are met:

Pressure as published for standard shells is not exceeded
A certain shot size is not exceeded
The choke is no greater than modified
The shot velocity is not exceeded
The Momentum generated is not exceeded

The numbers are in the attached document for 12 ga and 20 ga. You will need to do the math yourself.

IMPORTING FROM SPAIN

Here it is step by step with links:

1. Buy the gun. Two ways to do this. One is do it in person, two is to do it over the internet. In person you can pay via credit card, the second via wire transfer. Cost of Gun
Armeria Taradell (Barcelona)
http://armeriataradell.com/?wpsc_produc ... xtapuestas
Armeria Argali (Madrid)
http://www.club-caza.com/servicios/arma ... as&m=Armas

2. If you want the gun re-stocked and extra firing pins and main springs made, send your wood to the gun seller and have them send the gun and wood to Armas CHOY (Diego Godoy) in Eibar for the work. 700 euros (more or less) per gun plus cost of wood and shipping to Spain

3. Have the store pay Diego Godoy and bill you or you can have Diego bill you directly. I recommend that you have the store bill you.

4. Apply for your import certificate, Form 6. I recommend TR Imports at http://www.trimports.com/commerce/ccc10 ... rvices.htm Cost listed.....around $150

5. When you have your form 6, send it to your gun seller and have him apply for the Export certificate http://www.comercio.mityc.es/en/comerci ... ORTACIONES

6. When you have the import certificate and export certificate have your seller contact a shipping agent to send the guns. I used Air Cargotrans in Madrid http://www.aircargotrans.es/english/contacto.htm Around 400 euros for two guns

7. When you have a shipping Airbill, notify TR Imports of the gun coming. Send your FFL to Chuck so that he can ship it to you. Cost built in above

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture Please sticky
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:26 pm 
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:D Hi all, Damn good idea Mitch!! Makes a lot of sense to me. I second this request.

All the best!!

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 Post subject: re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture Please sticky
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:20 am 
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 Post subject: re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture Please sticky
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:19 pm 
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Very useful - good idea - this should be "stickied"

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 Post subject: Re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:42 pm 
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Thanks for this great info! I found exactly what I was looking for about my 1960 Zabala Hermanos 12ga. sxs. I use this double gun for hunting everything from rabbits and birds to white tail deer. I bought it in the late 60,s to the early 70,s and have never had any problems. Thanks Again!


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 Post subject: Re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:26 pm 
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I have two AYA Corral B grade O/U from early 50's, I am having hard time finding the letter mark on the reciever.
It was easy to finf on my matadors.
Any suggestions?
These AYA are 2 barrel sets with gold inlay on each barrel and top of the lever to open the breach.
Interested in any thoughts on qaulity to that of Markel or UK O/U.
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 Post subject: Re: Spanish Proof Marks/ Date of Manufacture: LOOK HERE FIRST!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:43 pm 
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In 1995 Spain changed the way that guns were marked.

A post-'95 gun will be marked as follows:

28-03-069-00

This is the maker's code, type of gun, S/N and year of production

28 = Antonio Gil

03 = Shotgun

069 = The 69th gun made by A. Gil that year (resets to 001 each year)

00 = 2000

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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot: LOOK HERE FIRST!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:13 am 
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You've pointed out a lot of sources of great information. Do you by any chance have a link to a source of metric choke designations, eg. 17.5, 18, etc?


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot: LOOK HERE FIRS
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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot: LOOK HERE FIRST!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:38 pm 
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What do these marks mean on my VSS? Right: CHOKE 17,9 17,9 Left: CHOKE 18,6 18,6.

I looked at the posted choke articles and they didn't seem to help. Sorry about removing all doubt of my ignorance and ineptitude.

Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot: LOOK HERE FIRST!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:34 pm 
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Seventy Three Thousand,

While I truly believe in my purest heart in the dragon slaying ability of my V. Sarasqueta; your post was rather vague and I would choose a shot more true, if I knew the gun was choked full and xfull or mod and imp mod. Footwear is not an issue with me. My feet doth be well equipped to stalk dank moors and hidden glades with my Mighty Rod of Kaboom and glad cheek filled with fresh Copenhagen. I dareth not enter your salty, gelatinous meat product realm.


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 Post subject: Value of my shotgun
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:48 pm 
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I am new in this forum, I have a shotgun EIG-EBAR-SPAIN, 410 gauge 3"chamber, with 3 marks, one is Spanish option smoke less (1931), spanish addmission proof for Eibar since 1931, and spanish definitive black P. proof on shotguns 1929-1931, and I will like to know the value, please help me, or let me know who can help me. I has a silver part with a dog chasing two ducks, and I am asumming the sun and is has a border arround. Thank you.




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Hi chaps, away a while, received my anniversary AYA No.1 last week here in Spain, currently trying to load up some photos which I will try and post when I can, best, Mike


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot: LOOK HERE FIRS
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:37 pm 
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Link originally provided by Chorizo to the Spanish/English dictionary over at el Cortadero.

Lot's of good diagrams on the various parts of our beloved shotguns that we should all know are provided as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
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Any updates on this link? cannot get it to work

http://www.aya-fineguns.com/archivos/va ... ue_AYA.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
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Try here for the latest AyA catalog.

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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
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Thank you, it is there, on the last pages.


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:30 pm 
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Very good information. I only have one problem, the one article by John Robinson, going down to Table 2 for Bore diameters-British Proof Law, the 4 bore listed is for a muzzle loader, not a breech loader. The breech loader would be between .935-.955 bore, as not all makers used the same bore size.

A friend owns quite a few big bore shotguns, and many are 4 bore breech loaders and he wanted information on bore size and the Birmingham Proof House gave him the same size as 1.053. His measure between .930-.960.
A 4 bore hull measures 1.062 rim size.


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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
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The steel shot link wouldn't work for me. I found the page with the current documents on the same website and thought I would post it so others can find it easier. I suppose that an updated version was posted so the link is different. I'm going to post the link to the page the PDF's are linked from so if they change them again it will hopefully still work.

http://www.chircuprodimpex.com/products/non-toxic-steel-shot-for-shotshells/non-toxic-steel-shot-for-shotshells.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Proof Marks/Date Codes/Choke/Steel shot/IMPORTING: LOOK
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Here's another link to Spanish Makers Marks as the above link appears to no longer exist. (Aside from joining the Yahoo group which possibly has the most extensive database of makers in the world).

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