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 Post subject: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:08 pm 
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I'm interested in loading 12 gauge Estate and Federal (cheap Walmart) straight wall hulls for my Beretta 391 autoloader for those cases where I can't easily retrieve the hulls.

I've heard that I should use a wad designed for straight-wall hulls. Is it really that important? If so, what would you recommend for 1 oz and 1 1/8 ounce target loads? I care about price, but place a higher priority on quality.

Any information on much Hodgdon Clays powder for 1200fps target loads with Win 209 primers would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:17 pm 
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Easy answer:

1 oz: Claybuster's 12S0 clone

1 1/8oz: Claybuster's 12S3 clone

http://claybusterwads.com/index.php?opt ... 5&Itemid=4


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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:38 pm 
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I use the Down Range XXL-Orange for 1 ounce and the Down Range F3-12 (a clone of the Federal 12S3) for 1-1/8 ounce. The XXL-Orange is a tight fit, but works nicely. The F3 is perfect, at least with my powder choice (ClayDot).

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:06 am 
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Downrange wads are far superior to anything claybuster has for nearly the same price. The 12S3 clone works very well in this hull for 1 1/8 oz loads. The Downrange Versalite wad is another good one for that hull. This wad excells in long range patterning. This is my wad of choice for handicap targets.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:57 am 
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bpshooter wrote:
Downrange wads are far superior to anything claybuster has for nearly the same price. The 12S3 clone works very well in this hull for 1 1/8 oz loads. The Downrange Versalite wad is another good one for that hull. This wad excells in long range patterning. This is my wad of choice for handicap targets.

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+ 1!

DR Versalite and the DR XXL Orange for me.

Just make sure those are new, once fired Feds and Estates! Loading one of the Feds, one too many times, caused me a bulged barrel a few years back. (Wound paper base wad came loose and stopped at the forcing cone, trap barrel, 303 Beretta.)

Now, it's one and only one reload!

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:28 am 
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I have had excellent results with the CB 3118 AR (red) wad with 1.125 oz loads.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:15 am 
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Anyone using the 12SO / Amer select and fed primers? Lyman shows the CB6100 wad for the fed paper base hulls and I would hate to buy another wad to use only in the few fed hulls I expent.

Thank you, Frank


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:28 am 
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Another vote for the DR XXL Orange. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:43 am 
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FrankQ,

Use the data for the Gold Metal hulls - just stay ~mid-range on the pressure curve. I ran a bag of the 12SO wads with 1oz of shot in the paper basewad hulls (with ClayDot) and they worked very well.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:34 pm 
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jugchoke,

Good call on the 1 and out! I only reload those paper/fiber basewad hulls 1 time and in the trash they go. This goes for the high brass field hulls as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:22 pm 
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Who has best price/selection of DR wads via mailorder? We have lots of CB, Win, Fed etc availble locally, but not DR.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:09 pm 
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Thank you Shootist for the info.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:57 pm 
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I haven't measured the ID of the 2 3/4" Federal straight walled plastic hulls, but the ID of the 3" hulls is about 0.740". If you want to stop powder migration, use a wad with an OD of at least 0.725". However, since the Federal hulls are not clear, you'll not realize it if the powder migrates past the wad. Most people don't know about the "incompatibility" of most one piece plastic wads with straight-walled hulls, and many others don't care. If you care, measure the wads, if not, use anything that's listed in the various manuals or guides.


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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:30 pm 
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The Downrange XXL-Orange amkes a great 7/8 oz load in these
The Downrange DRF3 (Federal 12S3) for 1 1/8 oz

Those are the 2 simplest and others will serve duty as well

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:07 am 
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I have gone through 500 noble sport wads and have been very happy with them. Gamaliel has them for $11 for a 1000. I am loading them 1 time in Noble Sport hulls and leaving them lay. I shot my best sporting score ever last weekend. Not saying they helped but they didn't hurt.


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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:52 pm 
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GO WITH THE DOWNRANGE WADS. They are specifically designed for the straight walled hulls that you talked about. These wads reload easily and leave your barrel clean. Many people have thrown their Estate hulls away. I pick them up and use them regularly and use the DR wads. I wouldn't load the hulls 8-10 times but they do work very well for 4-5 loadings.


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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:35 am 
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When I started out I took apart a bunch of the cheap federal shells to get some shot,I salvaged the the 2piece wads and was wandering if I could use these in the same hulls with clays powder and win 209 primers to make 3/4oz loads, proubably cut off the pedestal and use only the powder seal and shot cup cut to suit, Possable or not?

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:27 am 
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grousehunter49 wrote:
When I started out I took apart a bunch of the cheap federal shells to get some shot,I salvaged the the 2piece wads and was wandering if I could use these in the same hulls with clays powder and win 209 primers to make 3/4oz loads, proubably cut off the pedestal and use only the powder seal and shot cup cut to suit, Possable or not?


There's no data and wads are cheap. Don't waste your time.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:54 am 
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grousehunter49 wrote:
When I started out I took apart a bunch of the cheap federal shells to get some shot,I salvaged the the 2piece wads and was wandering if I could use these in the same hulls with clays powder and win 209 primers to make 3/4oz loads, proubably cut off the pedestal and use only the powder seal and shot cup cut to suit, Possable or not?


You are "wandering" alright!

First off, why destroy useful shells? Would you go buy a new car, just for the gas in the tank? :roll: :roll:

Second, you wouldn't want to "cut off" the pedestal, for what you are purposing, you would need to lengthen it! And shorten the shot cup. And to be truly safe, (with the changes made), then have them tested.

"Possable"? Any thing is possible, but you are "wandering" into unknown, unpublished, jerry rigged loads. (Sounds sort of like one of today's "Presidential Solutions" doesn't it?) What an excercise in, shall we say, for lack of a better word, stupidity?

Such "wanderings", can get one hurt, as well as not being cost worthy.

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 Post subject: Re: Wads for Estate and cheap Federal straight wall hulls
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:45 am 
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I was going to roll crimp them, but I,ll scrap the idea, thanks anyway guys.



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