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 Post subject: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:56 pm 
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Stay away from Traditions shotguns!!!!!!!!!!!! There are virtually no parts available and they will cost you more to fix than the guns are worth. In addition, Black Diamond, also made in Turkey are complete junk! You get what you pay for no exceptions!




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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:19 am 
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I have seen several of the Mossberg O/U guns broke and some more than once...junk!

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:27 am 
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I won't make a blanket statement about Traditions products, but anecdotally my friend had one before he got his Beretta and it was the biggest peice of junk I'd ever seen. It double fired on him constantly, the ejectors didn't clear the shells from the chambers because they were so sloppily fitted... Junk.

I understand their black powder rifles are nice and that they make good black powder pistol replicas though.


HOWEVER!!! High end Kimber shotguns are made in Turkey and they are quite nicely made. It's just like everywhere else. There are junky guns made in England, Italy and Germany too. You just never hear about them because no body ever keeps them long enough for them to become staples of the shooting sports. Brazil on the other hand... I've never seen a good one come out of Brazil...

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:40 pm 
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Unless they've changed, I've found Turkish guns to be firing pin breakers.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:17 am 
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There are junky guns made in England

No Sir.

We import junky guns and stamp them Webley and Scott or BSA, and so I have been told Churchill.

The people doing this are still at large and not spending time in one of Her Majesties holiday camps as they should be. British shotguns are now entirely high end; Purdey, Holland, Greener, Boss, and so on.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:38 am 
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I'm sorry, let me rephraise that...

There are cheaply made shotguns coming out of England.

Sorry Eugene. You're correct as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:28 am 
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I really don't think it is right to label the guns coming from Turkey into one category. I'm a little more open minded than that. I own one that has been perfect since new, not one failure of any kind, and one that is too new to report on. I predict with all the modern manufacturing processes in use in Turkey we are going to see more and better guns from them every year.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:21 am 
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A cheap knockabout has it's place.

A few chums have bought Hat San pumps for coastal wildfowling ... a muddy and crap begrimed business. The finish is a rough as a galvanised bucket but they work well enough. I suspect that when they do eventually go faulty the service department will be a garden wall .. chuck it over and buy a new one!

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:29 am 
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The Hatsan semi-autos are apparently very much a hit and miss job !. An aquaintance has one which has been totally reliable but many others I have seen are scrap. I suppose you get what you pay for and as Eugene says they have a place :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:48 pm 
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You need to be a little more accurate and specific when you start throwing out your opionions.

Traditions O/U's are made in ITALY by FAUSTI. They are of a much better quality that the O/U's made in Turkey. I have one and would not hesitate to buy another.

I assume your comments are about a Traditions semi auto shotgun. They are/were made in Turkey.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:33 pm 
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I have a Hatsan escort magnum synthetic 12g auto that I bought as a cheap fun gun. Cost very little, 3 year warranty and 15000 rounds without a single stoppage or malfunction. This gun has seen all weathers and won me trophies. Really cant complain for the money!

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Yes, I totally agree, Brazilian and Turkish shotguns are complete junk.

But then again, it's hard to believe a well made gun, like Browning, comes from Japan..

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:48 am 
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drondo wrote:
Stay away from Traditions shotguns!!!!!!!!!!!! There are virtually no parts available and they will cost you more to fix than the guns are worth. In addition, Black Diamond, also made in Turkey are complete junk! You get what you pay for no exceptions!


Interesting first post! Any other complaints? :roll:
:idea: Don't know anything about turkey shotguns (name turkey outta give you a hint!), nor am i ever going to buy one.....but one He!! of a way start your first post on SGW! :(^
:idea: Oh welcome to Shotgun World!...............I think? :B3


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 am 
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theq1994 wrote:
But then again, it's hard to believe a well made gun, like Browning, comes from Japan..


If you are making the generalization that products made in Japan are typcially of low quality, you are very wrong...

I have firearms, automobiles, and guitars that were made in Japan and all of them are of high quality and reliability...

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:12 am 
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theq1994 wrote:
Yes, I totally agree, Brazilian and Turkish shotguns are complete junk.

But then again, it's hard to believe a well made gun, like Browning, comes from Japan..




I don't find it hard to believe that Japan is making well made guns at all, they've been doing it for some time now! And guns are not the only well made items coming from that country.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:06 am 
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I guess that the two DeHaan shotguns I have are the exception to the rule! I have a 20 ga SxS and a 28 ga O/U made by Huglu(same company that makes the CZ guns, but better finished internally by Mark DeHaan) and I could not be happier. The limit of doves on opening day didn't complain about the SxS much!
As in most generalizations, there are exceptions, and if the generalization is that Turkish guns are junk, then the Huglu guns are definitely the exception!
If anyone can show me where to find an engraved, left-hand SxS with chromed barrels(inside and out), with choke tubes, that will last longer than my DeHaan, for under $3000, let me know! I paid $800 for my SxS(new).

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:44 am 
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I recently purchased the Weatherby PA-08 pump. I want a new 870 Wingmaster 100th anniversary, but I couldn't spend that much right now. I have several 870's I use for hunting and wanted another gun for clays. I picked this up for $319 at BassPro and have only put about 100 rounds through it. So far it seems decent. Swings and shoots good. The action is a little stiff, but I hope it breaks in. The fit and finish is a good quality for the price. The forearm is a little loose, but nothing bad. So far I don't regret it.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:55 am 
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I also have a Huglu that was fine tuned by DeHaan. So far it's performed excellantly. If you're getting a Turkish gun, I suggest you find a DeHaan.


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 Post subject: Re: Turkish made shotguns
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:45 am 
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theq1994 wrote:
But then again, it's hard to believe a well made gun, like Browning, comes from Japan..


Hard also to believe that made in japan once meant junk. Even harder to believe is 2 of the big 3 are in bankruptcy but Honda and Toyota are humming along.



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