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 Post subject: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:40 am 
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Hello,

First post here!

I found a nice, clean Remington Model 11 in 16 gauge. It has the solid rib, (no choke system add on), and is roughly 80%-85% condition. Metal only showed light wear, no scratches, dents or rust. Wood had some minor dings, but the forend has a very minor crack in the typical spot.

I don't remember is its a Sportsman or not, it does have some scroll engraving on the receiver.

Anyway, the asking price is $350. I've been going back and fourth on buying it for the last month or so...mainly because of the caliber (i was hoping to find a 20 locally in the same shape...no dice, been looking for a while too). After some thought and reading up on the 16, i think i want to pick it up.

My question is of value, is $350 a good price for this particular M11? I see M11 12's in simmilar condition (not totally comparable though, i.e. no barrel rib or scroll engraving) go locally in the $200-$250 range all the time. I know i can talk them down a little on the price, probably to $325 (will try for $300 though).

I am going to look at it again today, if it's still there, i might have them hold is over the weekend, so i can try and get more info on it.

Thanks,
DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:31 pm 
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I would buy it. If its not rusted to death and dinged up. My cousin let me borrow his for deer season and I hammered deer with it. I killed alot of pheasants with it to. Its got a fixed modified choke and was bought for about the same price. There good guns. I would probably buy it if I were you.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:58 am 
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If you don't want it, where is it? Will they ship? I want it!
Solid rib makes a huge difference in price.
Crack can easily be fixed. Do it before you shoot it. And get the rings set properly for your ammo.
$350 is a good price. The crack likely subtracts the added value of the solid rib.
Do the #'s match on the barrel and receiver?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:07 am 
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Good morning,

So, i went back to look at it and have some slightly discouraging news on this M11. Basically i got my description confused with another M11 (12) that was next to it (now sold).

So, here is what it is: M11, 16g., solid rib, wood is close to previously described, butt stock has a a few more dings than i remember, but not bad. Blueing is pretty good, but the receiver has some speckling...i didn't see rust anywhere on it though. Needs a good cleaning, but otherwise it's not horrible. There is one minor ding on the receiver around the slide release button.

It is not a Sportsman, no scroll engraving.

the price was $369. I askd about that and had them call me...they said they could do $299 for me.

I can't beleive i was that far off on the decription before...i'm a little embarrased by that.

So, with this new information, how does $300 sound? it will be a lightly used by me working gun, but my main issue is the speckling on the receiver and the price.

I told them I would let them know today...they are holding it for me for teh time being

Thanks,
DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:22 am 
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I wouldn't be concerned about the lack of scroll engraving. It is rolled on and in my opinion doesn't add any value. I would prefer the 5 shot version anyway- you can always plug it to 3 shot. The big difference in the model 11s is the location of the safety. Until 1927 it was in the trigger guard. The newer cross bolt safety is preferred. $300 for a 16 ga. solid rib sounds about right to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:37 am 
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What about the specking of the receiver. Except for that the bluing is 80%-85%.

Yeah, the lack of engraving and the standard capacity (5) doesn't bother me at all.

the $300 price they gave me is rock bottom...no more negotiating.

I know M11's are high quality, they just don't demand much because of the A5. I had a first year production (1905) Remington Automatic Shotgun ()sn#1818) and played around with it for a while until the link broke. Liked the shotgun even though that particular one was a beater in every regard.

I know this is a decision i need to make for myself, but i would like to hear your opinions on if you would buy it for that price in that condition.

side note: this shotgun would go into my trading stock catogory of guns, so do you think that if i were to trade it or sell it, i would get most or all of my money back...profit is always good, but i would be content with the idea that i could get my money back if i were to part with it.

DW

p.s. this is a post 1928 (or 29, i forget) gun, it doesn't have the suicide safety, its got the cross bolt.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:22 am 
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My mistake, All of the 16 ga. guns have the cross bolt safety since they were first produced in 1931. I did pay $220 for a solid rib 16 but that was in 1998. I still have it.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:31 am 
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The Model 11 16-gauge wasn't introduced until 1931, so they always had the crossbolt safety. When The Sportsman was introduced in 1930, in 20-gauge, it had the three-bird on each side roll-stamping.

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In August 1937, Remington terminated the seperated serial numbers for The Sportsman, and began serial numbering them in with the Model 11s. At that time they also reduced the roll-stamping to one bird on each side and began putting it on all the receivers. Concurrently the Model 11 and The Soirtsman markings moved to the bolt.

Not too long ago (actually August 2005, time flys) I paid less then $200 for this The Sportsman 16-gauge with a 26-inch improved cylinder solid rib barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:04 pm 
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Cool dog...and nice gun.

I went back today, had yet another round with it...this time with a cleaning rag. I don't know what the speckling was, but it didn't take much to get it gone. It cleaned up pretty good, and is much better that i thought it was going to be.

I ended up putting some cash down on it (didn't want to charge it). I will go back next week to settle up and bring the shotgun to it's new home.

The SN is 1510160 and the barrel matches. time to date it now.

DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:20 pm 
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1936


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:36 pm 
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Thank you! For some reason i was thinking it was going to be a 1937...wasn't too far off.

When i actually have it in hand, i will post a picture

DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:09 pm 
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Maybe even late 1935 or very early 1936 --

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/FR06


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:38 am 
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I think it is a good purchase, I hope it cycles.
What is it choked?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:26 am 
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I feel confident it will cycle. I couldn't see a reason that it wouldn't, but in the off chance that if there is something wrong with it, the shop will take care of it. they are very good in that way.

It was stamped "IMP CYL", so it looks to be very similar to Researcher01's. Although from the picture, his stock looks a little nicer...BTW, what is that i see on the back end of the comb, at the buttplate?

DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:37 pm 
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To me IC would be the most desirable choke!


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:15 pm 
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The wood finish is flaking back by the heel of the butt plate. Likely sat in some water briefly at some point in time. I have two 1938-vintage Remington shotguns with 26-inch improved cylinder barrels, and they both mic .011" of choke, while my 1953 Winchester Model 12 26-inch improved cylinder only has .006".


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:52 pm 
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Sounds like a good deal. Not a smokin deal, but good. Solid ribs aren't too common, especially after the change of safeties (in my experience). Solid ribs on 16's? Probably pretty rare. That makes 3 I've seen PICTURES of. Never had one on my hands.

The IC is probably the deal maker. Not a common choke in model 11's. Full, in my experience, is the most common, then Mod. I've seen more add on choke systems than Mod or IC combined.
The IC choke will be very useful.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:50 pm 
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I didn't think it was a smoking deal either, but a fair one and i an OK with that.

I didn't realize that the solid ribs were scarce. I did notice that you didn't see them as often as plain barrels.

The solid rib is what initially attracted me to this shotgun, then i saw it was 16 and balked for months. I really wanted a M11 in 20 with the solid rib, but i have never seen one and have been looking for a while. I try to only buy local, so my resources are limited.

After a while, i read up on the 16 and now have an appreciation for it. I decided to give it a try.

DW


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:55 am 
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I understand that the solid rib barrels on the old Remingtons are machined out of one piece of metal. The blank is drilled off center and the extra metal is taken off. Hard to believe. Does this appy to vent rib barrels also? Has anyone seen or own a vent rib 16?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11, 16 gauge?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:39 pm 
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It may well be the best $350 you will ever spend. Be sure to have the recoil buffer checked.

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