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 Post subject: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:00 pm 
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I need help with a solid brass shotgun single shot 12 ga. I know it is a H and R about 18" long and I know it was made after May 1901 but other than that I have no clue where to start looking. Does anyone know anything about it?? ANYTHING??




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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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See if a magnet sticks to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:46 am 
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magnet...no it doesn't stick
shooting...well I loaded some light loads in paper cart. and it worked just fine.
but I don't plan on shooting it anymore. I can't find anything on it. I've done search after search and no luck so far. I hope someone on here can help me or at least point me toward someone who can. It has very few marking on it but it does have the manuf. and the pat. date.

Btw the barrel is like a 1/4" thick solid brass!


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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pictures?

If your sure that it is an H&R you might give them a shout.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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Just a guess, but maybe it was made as a marine flare gun. Less corrosion, but also less pressure. However I would think that it would be so marked. But back in those days, who knows for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:35 pm 
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anyone have a phone number or web site for H&R information. I see if I can't get some picture on here that might help


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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H & R made line throwing guns for use between ships however, I don't know if tghey were brass. ( They also made harpoon guns but I'm pretty sure they used a reinforced breach and were iron or steel)


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I know the piture is not great but I hope that helps


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:31 am 
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http://www.hr1871.com/default.asp
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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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NO JOY!!
I called them and all Harrington and Richardson historical records were destoyed in a fire in 1996! They have no records of what the made past 1996...........So now what???


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:12 am 
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That barrel looks illegally short! :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:22 pm 
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That barrel looks illegally short! :shock:

well its pretty short..it would be I guess if it had been modified. but thats the way it came so......I think it should be ok. you can tell it hasn't been messed with.


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:54 pm 
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It's doubtful this gun was designed to shoot a shotshell cartridge.

Probably not a flare gun either. There would be no need for the shoulder stock.

I doubt it was made of brass to save money, even if it was during the early days of the Depression. H&R chose brass because of some advantage it has over iron. The only two I can think of are aesthetics and resistance to oxidation/moisture.

Nothing like it is made today, so what were they doing then at sea or in humid areas that we aren't doing now?

Beats me.


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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I'm going to play devil's advocate:

1. How do you know it's brass?
2. Is the receiver and all the parts inside also "brass"? How do you know? Did you take it apart and look or are you just saying so?
3. If it's brass because you think it was meant to be weather resistant, why a wooden stock with a rubber recoil pad?
4. Finally, all the pictures are out-of-focus. I am always suspicious when someone shows out-of-focus pix - sort of like the pictures people send me when they're trying to sell me shotguns!! Or pictures of the Loch Ness monster :roll: The pictures are so crappy that it isn't even clear if it's a single or double barrel!

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:40 pm 
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It's a line-throwing gun that's been stripped, and the receiver is bronze, not brass. Every ship, lighthouse, and beach rescue station used to have one, as did many fire departments.

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=8175

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It originally came in a wood case for stowage of it and all its gear. It was engineered for low-pressure blanks, similar to today's M79/203 grenade launchers.....dunno what pressures it was proofed for, but it's worth a bit as is to marine antique collectors and I wouldn't risk shooting it. Were it mine, I'd do some research, collect what additional bits I could, make a box and sell it as a package. Yours in bronze will sell for considerably more than the 45-70 H&R Bridger shown.

I also suspect it's legal to own as a curio, if it's classified as a "firearm" at all.

These are still made by Bridger, BTW.....and replacement parts are available.

http://www.hawills.com/lineguns.html

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http://www.navalcompany.com/profile.htm

http://www.rocknrescue.com/acatalog/Bri ... n-Kit.html

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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That barrel looks illegally short! :shock:

well its pretty short..it would be I guess if it had been modified. but thats the way it came so......I think it should be ok. you can tell it hasn't been messed with.
I suggest you check with a knowledgeable source before you assume anything about a too short barrel being OK. At the very least, look at the on-line regulations dealing with barrel lengths and exceptions. The BATF is a rather humorless group.

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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
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well I can see that except it is not a 45-70 it is a 12 gauge and I have shot some 12 ga. paper shells out of it. I still can't find anything further.


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 Post subject: Re: Solid brass shotgun????
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:26 am 
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You have a H&R line thrower, early model. This was used, as mentioned, for throwing a line from ship to ship or from a grounded ship to shore. The barrel should be naval brass and the receiver bronze. This was designed to be used with black powder blanks (it is an early version) and modern smokless ammo will be far to much for it. To measure the barrel, close the unloaded action and drop a dowel down the barrel. Then mark the legnth at the muzzel and measure the barrel legnth. If it is under 18", it may be illegal. This can be serious and take up to 20years of your life in Federal prison.

The line thrower can be valuable when all the accessories are with the kit. In 1970, I was a Boatswain's mate on the USS Little Rock (CLG4) and we had such a line thrower. The brass thrower was replaced by a new H&R 12ga steel single shot when we went to the shipyard for refit. The Gunner Mates were in charge of line throwing and the Boatswains Mates did not handle the thrower. The newer device had a rewinder for the line and shot 12ga blanks. The gunners hated to scrub the barrels of this thing because the Marine armourer inspected it after each use.



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