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 Post subject: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:47 pm 
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I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with the molle shotshell pouches, i've been wanting to make a vest specifically for shotgun use, i was thinking about making a chest rig with a couple of these or maybe using saw pouches to lug shells in... ANY SUGGESTIONS?


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:28 pm 
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http://www.originalsoegear.com/pullout12.html
http://www.originalsoegear.com/12gamicro.html

This is the route I would take if a shotty was my primary. If I'm putting a chest rig on it is going to carry AR mags though.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:55 pm 
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See above.

John Willis makes some really good kit.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:34 pm 
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Thanks for the help guys, that's kinda what i'm going for something like that, my shotgun is my primary for now, i'm a paramedic student so money's a lil too tight to drop the dough on a carbine. I just want something i can use at the range and something that will come in handy if the time ever comes to where i actually need it


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:59 am 
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A Chinese SKS chest rig would probably work great, and I've seen them at gunshows for $10


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:48 am 
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A Chinese SKS chest rig would probably work great, and I've seen them at gunshows for $10


If you were moving and left a pouch poorly fastened you would leave a trail of shells. You really need something with positive retention.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:16 am 
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I really dig that SOE Micro Rig. Would make a nice low profile rig for hunting as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:23 am 
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http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac_Shotgun_Card_p/ess.106.htm
http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_Shotgun_Ammo_Pouch_Molle_p/eag.215.htm
http://www.hawkepaks.com/prod.itml/icOid/207
http://www.hawkepaks.com/prod.itml/icOid/206

Here are some other products you could try. I haven't tried any of them so I can't vouch for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:08 pm 
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http://www.gunaccessories.com/blackhawk ... tVests.asp

these too are something you can look at. they have about three vest designed around shotguns that you can look at.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:25 pm 
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I've been at this game for a while (hell, on our last trip to Kandahar, my boots were older than my gunner) and I've seen gear from the old ALICE gear on through the latest and greatest MOLLE gear. Personally I prefer the older simpler ALICE gear over the newer stuff. I guess I just don't care so much for all the noisy velcro they are using over everything these days. It's loud and when it gets dirty, it doesn't stay closed are my two biggest gripes about it. Now back in the day, the old USGI ALICE shell pouch was what we used and I still use it for my own gear today. However, if a shotgun was my "go-to" gun I would probably look at the gear made by FMCO. Here's the link to their vests and about half way down they have both 48 and 72 round vests:
http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/001.html
Their other version isn't as adjustable but they do have a version that is a vest that holds up to 96 rounds so if that's not enough, you really should have considered bringing along something a little heavier...like a radio to call in an air strike! Anyways, here's the link to their other vests:
http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/003.html


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:10 am 
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USMCGrunt,

Are their inserts inside that hold each shell secure or can they all fall out if running once the lid in unsecured?





One thing the new gear has done (especially armor) is burden the grunt with too much weight.

When I was a gunner a full load out in Alice gear WITH an M60 was under 90lbs even for 2 weeks of climbing up and down the hills of N. Korea.

From what I've read of the past few wars the basic pack has that much weight. What do your troops carry on average weight wise for a 20 mile hump? Or is there no more humping that kind of distance in the desert?

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:44 am 
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I've been thinking of a chest rig for some time and I like the idea of something that I can just throw over my shoulder and go.

One of the options is to use a Blackhawk STRIKE Bandoleer (now discontinued I believe) with 1-2 STRIKE 18 (19?) shell pack, a Serpa CQC holdster and a two mag pistol pouch:

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:50 am 
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Though I have not done it yet, I still like the idea of the velcro on the receiver, and the "disposable" velcro side-saddles that fit in AR magazine pouches. Once the saddle on the gun is empty, rip it off and throw on another fully loaded unit. Either drop the empty, or get a dump pouch/roly poly.


I don't recall the manufacturer, but I think there were a couple.


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:05 am 
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You would be hard to go wrong with the OSOE gear. I have some of his stuff from back in the 90s and it is still working.
The Popper from HSGI is another good small sized chest rig that has pull downs for shotgun rounds and some pockets for IFAK/BOK stuff. Use the rifle mag pouches as a holster and there are pistol mag pouches. There is a MOLLE front version that you can tailor to your own needs.

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One thing the new gear has done (especially armor) is burden the grunt with too much weight.

That is due in large part to two things: Optempo and the expectations of America.
The optemp is up because we do a lot of fighting at night. That requires NODs and the batteries to power them, as well as a lot of commo gear and their batteries. Add in all the EO units, and the lasers for fighting/designating/pointing and their batteries. Depending on the service you have some precision/semi-precision optics that allow for more observation and descrimination. That is a significant amount of weight that wasn't present twenty years ago. But the troops are expected to be very selective in targeting and also to fight pretty much around the clock.
As far as expectations, if we fought a single battle like Omaha Beach today mass numbers of Americans would pass out. Never mind the battles like Gettysburg and Antietam. There is a large segment of the American population that would howl with demands to pull completely out of any fight that even approached a casualty rate of Vietnam. The move towards body armor is geared in large part by the CoC's desire to protect the troops, but also because Americans will not accept casualties. Part of this is the zero defect mindset. This is also why you have troops at FOBs that are not allowed to walk around post (that receives mortar and rocket attacks) without the reflective belt on. Anywhere.
In WWII the M4 was intended to fight infantry and rear elements, not other tanks. When it came up against tanks it lost bad against contemporary German units. There was a whole philosophy that drove that, and in its own way it made sense. When we had HMMWVs operating as LAVs or where something with a little more steel should have been we had a similar situation. The result was the uparmored kits and gun trucks. The initial outcry about troops going into the field with the older protective gear resulted in not only the newer IBAs and similar, but the crotch/neck/shoulder protection as well and the unit SOPs that require some/all of it to be worn. So we now have back and leg problems from guys wearing all that armor and stomping around on crappy terrain in crappy conditions. But they're not getting shot/injured as they would have if they didn't have all the armor.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:55 pm 
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FWIW standard MOLLE loops will hold 12GA rounds quite securely

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
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They certainly will. Done that a couple of times.

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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:13 am 
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You know the below link looks like that would be the perfect way to grab some extra 12 ga ammo and stuff it in your jean's back pocket for a 3 gun match or an unfortunate HD situation. For $10 I think I will try it. Thanks bbull311 !!!


http://www.hawkepaks.com/prod.itml/icOid/207


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:22 am 
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On that shotshell strip, how do you actually remove the shells to reload? It does look like a convenient way to store the shells, but I can't see how to actually reload from it without two hands?


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:19 pm 
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I have been using a messager bag. I commuted for 12 years on my motorcycle and used one, so I am very comfortable with them. I also use one as a camera bag. I got a Vans checker board one for $12. I got a checker board one so I won't mix it up with my all black one, which I use for my rifle. It is low profile and doesn't get a second look. I can carry shells inside and it holds about 25rds in each pocket (it has 2). I load one pocket with slugs and one with buckshot. I can also keep several 25rd boxes in it pretty easily. I also carry a full sized handgun and extra mags in the bag as well. As a civilian, I like the idea of a 'sneaky' bag that I can use in a 'lower-threat' situation. I have been in 2 hurricanes and experienced a week long gas shortage here in Phoenix. So for me, that is probably where the biggest threat is. It fits my needs the best as a chest rig may get unwanted attention either from LEO or bad guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Shotgun Chest Rig
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:28 pm 
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It is low profile and doesn't get a second look. I can carry shells inside and it holds about 25rds in each pocket (it has 2).


Don't you think the shotgun would get a second look?

I've never understood the idea of a bag designed to support a long gun needing to fly under the radar when the long gun is going to stick out like a sore thumb.

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