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 Post subject: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:54 pm 
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The local gun show today has a number of interesting older trap guns for sale.


Browning Citori trap with fixed chokes

Browning Superposed trap gun with double-single triggers

Ithaca single-shot trap gun

Ithaca single-shot trap gun by Perazzi

Ithaca single-shot trap gun by SKB

Parker single-shot trap gun

Lefever single-shot trap gun



You guess any of these have another 25-straight left in them ?

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:10 pm 
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With the right indian, any of those arrow throwers would do just fine IMO.
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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:27 pm 
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I jus went and shot 14 rounds with my new to me Browning Superposed circa 1954. I did ok with it, but a gentleman at the club who is 82 and a long time trap shooter just had to try it out for old time sake and busted everything he shot at with it. I think it's a keeper.


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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:38 pm 
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Ended up buying an Ithaca single-shot trap gun and a Perazzi trap gun at the gun show.

Now how do I explain no 25-straight when I get back from the range tonight ?


Yes, I know, I needed some of the Remington Gold STS shells. The standard grade don't work in those guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Yes, I know, I needed some of the Remington Gold STS shells. The standard grade don't work in those guns.

Why not?

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:01 pm 
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I've got an A grade Single Barrel Parker trap gun. It's got 32" tubes. They made 16 of them.

I had to replace the rotted Silver's recoil pad and straighten up the barrel latch. Otherwise the gun is "at is" which is very nice. It's a pretty thing.

And SHOOT! Man, is it a great shooter! It's increased by score by several birds. It mounts with your eye well above the line of sight, so birds are easy to see and it swings as well as any gun. I paid 1,500 bucks for the gun, and don't feel like I was taken. I have no idea what it's worth, but I won't sell it. It's just a wonderful trap gun. Made in 1923, I think.

I'll bet the Ithaca's, Smiths, etc. are just as good, or nearly so.

I took my gun to a local trap shoot and it was roundly poo po'd by the guys shooting modern guns with articulating butt pads, extra high combs and towering ribs. They shot well, of course, but I think my gun is better than they thought it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:00 pm 
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Rastoff wrote:
Hammer1 wrote:

Yes, I know, I needed some of the Remington Gold STS shells. The standard grade don't work in those guns.




Why not?




If I shoot less than 25-straight and I use the standard shells, I have an excuse for the misses.

With the Gold STS and a Perazzi, the excuses when I get home are not as convincing.

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Logjam,

Parker S.A. Grade SBT's are listed with values ranging from $2K (poor) up to $7K (Exc.) depending upon condition. S.A.A. Grades range from $2.4K up to $12K and the S.A-1 Special Grade range from $4K up to $20K. If you only paid $1.5K for an S.A. Grade you did well, if you got a higher grade, you did very well indeed.





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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:26 pm 
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OK, I get you now. :lol:

By the way, the guns you listed in the OP are great guns, but it seems your info is a little off. Ithaca was the importer only. I don't understand all the politics, but you can't just ship guns to the US, you have to have an importer. When Perazzi first started bringing guns into the US they used Ithaca as the importer. So, Ithaca had nothing to do with the build of the gun, they just made it legal to ship them here. Same with SKB.

So, it's not an Ithaca made by Perazzi, it's a Perazzi imported by Ithaca. See?

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:05 pm 
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doppelflinten wrote:
Logjam,

Parker S.A. Grade SBT's are listed with values ranging from $2K (poor) up to $7K (Exc.) depending upon condition. S.A.A. Grades range from $2.4K up to $12K and the S.A-1 Special Grade range from $4K up to $20K. If you only paid $1.5K for an S.A. Grade you did well, if you got a higher grade, you did very well indeed.





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My gun is an A grade and is so marked on the water table. When I first saw the gun it was orange, covered with fine powdery rust. It had been stored in a plastic sleeve in a humid climate. I soaked 0000 steel wool in Liquid Wrench and very lightly attacked the rust and darn if it didn't all come off! Only one or two shallow pits left, but the fine silvery blue came back just fine. It has a beaver tail forearm that doesn't quite match the stock, but the engraving and checkering are very nice, some case colors remain and the bore is bright and shiny. Except for the broken spring in the barrel latch and the new Silver's recoil pad I haven't done a thing to it.

A famous industrialist owned the gun. I bought it from his ex son-in-law, whose new wife wanted the gun out of their house.

Thanks for the value info. It's too nice a gun to sell. It's great shooter. No safety. So you can't miss a shot messing with the safety on the range. No doubles, of course.


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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:49 pm 
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I just looked at my Parker SBT and it's not marked on the water table, but on the bottom of the barrel at the breech end. It is marked "A", which I think is the grade.

It's ss# is 122xxx.

I'm going to try to get a picture of it and post it here.

It's got an inch chip out of the wrist that runs along the lower tang. It's not very noticeable. I could have it repaired, but shouldn't an old gun look like an old gun? Isn't a little honest wear okay?


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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:32 pm 
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man im getting old when someone says a citori is an older gun? :(

to me, old is ww1 and pre ww2.

whew, some day kids will be bringing dogs in for me to pet in my parlor during lunch break at the home! i'll tell em stories about 'i remember when' gas semi autos were invented and theyll all stare at me like im nuts!:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:48 pm 
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bobski wrote:
man im getting old when someone says a citori is an older gun? :


My too. I though the Citori was a modern gun. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Antique or older trap guns ?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:45 pm 
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bobski wrote:
man im getting old when someone says a citori is an older gun? :(



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Hammer1 wrote:
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The local gun show today has a number of interesting older trap guns for sale.


Browning Citori trap with fixed chokes Started shooting before it was introduced, owned one

Browning Superposed trap gun with double-single triggers

Ithaca single-shot trap gun

Ithaca single-shot trap gun by Perazzi Introduced about the time I started shooting trap

Ithaca single-shot trap gun by SKB Introduced after I started shooting trap

Parker single-shot trap gun

Lefever single-shot trap gun



You guess any of these have another 25-straight left in them ?

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At least the other ones predate me :wink:

As for scores, if any of them fit the shooter and the shooter is skilled, they will all "get the job done".


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