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 Post subject: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:08 pm 
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Hello:
I have an old shotgun, a Stevens 311 H in 12 gauge. I have hunted bird and rabbit for many years. Today, I went to the two gun stores to get some number 5 shot for Jack Rabbits. I'm old and they get going before my reflexes can draw a sight on them. The first gun store did not have any shotgun ammo except 7 1/2. The second one had number 5 but in 3 inch shells. This is in California.

Like I said, I'm old and have never fired 3 inch shells. The gun will take them but I would like to know if they are that much more powerful than the old low base 2 3/4 shells I am used to using. Also, my old shotgun shoots right on top of the sight with both barrels at 40 feet with 2 3/4 shells. Should I expect the same or will the 3 inch high base shells be different? Thanks in advance, TM.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:21 pm 
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Does your shotgun take 3 inch shells is the first question? Just because they fit the chambers in their unfired condition does not mean they fit when fired. 3 inch shells are 3 inches once they are fired. If you fired them in a 2 3/4 chamber, the crimp opens up in the leade area of the barrel, a tighter constriction than the chamber. This causes pressures to skyrocket.

If your gun has 3 inch chambers, yes, you feel significantly more recoil. Any shift in pattern, however, would be minimal.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:15 pm 
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The barrel reads 2 3/4 & 3 inch. Thanks. TM.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:28 pm 
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What's the weight of shot? 1-3/8 ounces will be a little more powerful. 1-5/8 ounces will definitely wake you up. 1-7/8 ounces will get rid of any old loose fillings for you.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:44 pm 
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3” #5 shot = turkey load.
Double barrel = fixed breech

Although gun will take it, I do not think you will enjoy shooting it. I would pick #7 ½ in 2 and ¾“ over the heavy brother in preferred shot size, but that is just me… Your mileage might vary. :D


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:20 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:32 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:06 am 
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Didn't say how long the barrels were. If they are still way out there and running the factory choke constriction the three inch stuff will tell you it's different but the weight of the old girl will still give you confidence to pull off the other barrel. I would rather use #5 on Jackalopes than #7s because no matter how tuff they are I still eat the little basterds.
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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:47 am 
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Rommer,

If the gun is chambered for 2 3/4", you shound not shoot 3" shells in it! I cannot explain why anyone would advise you to shoot the wrong ammo in your older gun. You don't even need a 3" shell to shoot rabbits.

The weight of the lead shot has nothing to do about safety when you are shooting the wrong ammo. Bye the way, your 12ga M311 with a 2 3/4" chamber was designed to shoot the 2 3/4" Magnum. This load has 1 1/2oz of shot.

When a shell that is too long is used in a short chamber, the pressures go up drastically. The M311 is a sturdy gun but the wood is old and may fail. A 3" shell in that gun is like shooting a proof load every time, or more!

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:09 am 
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Hey TM, I have a 311H also. It's a good solid gun and I have shot 3" shells out of it several times. I don't think you would enjoy it very much though. Keep checking around until you find some 2 3/4" shells. You will enjoy busting jacks a lot more.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:59 am 
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Walmart specials in 7 1/2" are good medicine for rabbits. Be sure to pick the shot out before you cook them.

That 311H is a solid gun that will fire more 3" loads than you can afford to buy.

However, I like #6 el cheapos for rabbits. That is my preference, but 7.5s are as good, though you'll have to pick out more shot from the meat. Rabbits aren't hard to kill. They are hard to hit when in overdrive.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:13 pm 
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If it says 3" on the barrel it should be safe to shoot 3" shells through it.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:32 pm 
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A5guy wrote:
Rommer,

If the gun is chambered for 2 3/4", you shound not shoot 3" shells in it! I cannot explain why anyone would advise you to shoot the wrong ammo in your older gun. You don't even need a 3" shell to shoot rabbits.

The weight of the lead shot has nothing to do about safety when you are shooting the wrong ammo. Bye the way, your 12ga M311 with a 2 3/4" chamber was designed to shoot the 2 3/4" Magnum. This load has 1 1/2oz of shot.

When a shell that is too long is used in a short chamber, the pressures go up drastically. The M311 is a sturdy gun but the wood is old and may fail. A 3" shell in that gun is like shooting a proof load every time, or more!


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The barrel reads 2 3/4 & 3 inch. Thanks. TM.


pretty clear the guy can safely shoot 3" shells in his gun...not comfortably but safely.......Art

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:42 am 
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I had the same gun. I shot 3" buck shot through mine when I was younger. It used to really whallop me. I'd bet you'd do better with the rabbits shooting low brass 7 1/2 than the 3" #5s.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:56 am 
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I guess that I misread his post. Sorry. If it says 3", buy a case and shoot away!

Some 1 7/8oz #5 should handle those bunnies just fine! Better yet, use nickle plated lead on those rascals!

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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:44 pm 
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You will probably have more luck finding #4 or #6 size shot in a 2 3/4" load, High Brass.

The #5 (which I like) is not very common any more. Might try to find some Fiocchi brand shells. Seems like they load some #5's more than the "Big 3" (Rem, Win, and Federal)


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:16 pm 
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I used 3" Remington Nitro Pheasant in #6's in my back-up barrel and 2 1/2" Gamebore #6's for my 1st shot in my Beretta White Wing this year with very good success on Bunnies this year. Both shells worked fine on those big old Louisiana Swamp Rabbits.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 inch shells
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:05 am 
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Jacks are a lot bigger than regular cottontail rabbits, I think I would go up a size to #4 shot, rather than down in shot size to #7 1/2. Then I'd stick to 1 1/8 oz or 1 1/4 oz loads in the 2 3/4" shell. After all the OP said he was letting the wascally wabbits get out there a little further these days due to his extreme experience induced reflex degradement (is that even a word?) :lol: .

Around here lead 4's seem to be some what easier to find than 5's, in the more economical loads.

Good luck,

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