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 Post subject: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:47 pm 
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RICHARD - (NOT RICHARDS WITH AN S) - 12 guage - Exposed hammers - twist steel barrels
Serial # - 3691 - TWIST BELGIUM engraved on rib between barrels - RICHARD engraved on each side lock - in fair to good condition.
Is it safe to fire with black powder rounds? Who was the manufacturer?

Georgia Dave


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:14 pm 
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If the 28-gauge Richard I owned is an example, they were among the cheapest of Belgian clunkers that supplied thousands of sod busters who settled the West. Actually the one I owned didn't get very far West. It was given me by the late Henry Thomas of Federal Oak Farm, Charles County, Maryland. So, I guess they served farmers in the East as well. Henry said it was his Father's Quail gun. Henry also gave me his 21st birthday present, a 1938-vintage 20-gauge Fox-Sterlingworth. For over 50 years Henry raised fine English Setters, and the Fox-Sterlingworth had visited every thorny growth in Southern Maryland. I used the Fox-Sterlingworth lovingly for a number of years, but when I left the area, I passed the guns on to a young Southern Maryland hunter and Setter man.

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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:17 am 
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Many thanks for your quick reply and valued information!
Yes! I thought that this gun and another "rabbit ear" I have are both what old timers used to call "hardware" guns.
The photo you included shows a Richard that is better looking than mine. Mine is still a tight gun, however, and in good working order.

Well then, I feel better about cleaning it up and refinishing the stock with oil and steel wool (Scotch Pads ). There's not much "collectible value" to be lost and she should make a pretty wall hanger.

Although in my foolish youth, I have fired guns in much worse shape - a Zulu "side saddle" trapdoor for instance.

Thanks again!

Dave


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:02 pm 
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Only listing I can find for a Richard (no "S") is for an A, Richard and it says "Marking found on a Belgian made hammer double. Maker unknown." So I'll have to guess the gun was made sometime between 1890 and 1914 when World War 1, The Great War or The War to End All Wars
(choose one) cut off exports from Belgium. The gun would have been designed for the ammunition in use at the time which was either black powder or very early low pressure smokeless powder, will have damascus barrels with short chambers. It was not designed for more modern high pressure smokeless powder. 3 inch or Magnum shells and no steel shot, I strongly recommend that the gun be hung on a wall and never be fired.


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:35 pm 
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Thanks Ned!

You are probably correct. She will be a wall hanger.
I haven't been able to find a list on the net that mentions Richard (no S).
Have I just missed it?

Thanks again for your reply.

Dave


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Scroll down about 1/2 way here for pics of Richards, Richard, and Rickard

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/20091267

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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Just for giggles and grins, look on the bottom of the barrels for proof marks. I think you will find Belgian proofs consisting of the letters "ELG" in an oval with a crown over that, An American made gun will not have any proofs stamped there. Also please double check the marking and see exactly how it is marked and spelled.


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:31 am 
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And yet again, thanks Ned! Your information is a delight!

I inspected the gun in bright daylight with a magniying glass to aid my trifocals.

Side locks are the old fashioned, rounded type that sit BEHIND the breech block and butt up to it.
RICHARD is engraved well behind the hammers on the side of each side lock. An arrow head pointing toward the words - TWIST BELGIUM - are engraved about 3 inches up from the chambers on the rib between the barrels.
No other engraving.

PROOF MARKS - on the underside of both barrels covered by the forehand piece.
Right barrel - running from right at the ejector toward the muzzle-
1st. - oval with crown on top -inside the oval is - E over LG over a star -
2nd. - square diamond - inside diamond is - 12 over a small 0 -
3rd. - could be a broom - or perhaps an obelisk on top of a small pyramid
4th. - a Y with a star over it
5th. - best described as two, very fluid, overlapped "E" markings - or overlapped "reverse 3" markings
6th. - a small star over a 0
7th. - the number - 18.1 - possibly 18.4
8th. - a repeat of the overlapped "E" stamp

Left barrel - again - from ejector toward muzzle
Just like the right barrel, EXCEPT - above the last overlapped "E" marking is - a small star over what looks like a small R - or A P pushed together

On the ends of the metal bars forming the ejector slide housing - just in front of the forward most locking lug.
Right Side -
1st. - the letter V - almost check mark style
2nd. - a "check" mark
3rd. - a small number 3 - or possible a 5

Left Side -
Only the "broom" or "obelisk" mark again

INSIDE THE BREECH BLOCK - on the surfaces where the barrel chambers bed down when locked - on either side of the locking lug slots.
Right side -
Only the serial number - 3691 - or - 5691

Left side -
1st. - "broom" or "obelisk" marking again
2nd. - small star over a Y again
3rd. - "check" mark again
4th. - the letter V almost check mark style again
5th. - the number 3 - or 5

I can find no other discernible proof marks or engraving on the gun. Hope I didn't miss anything.
I certainly hope that you can make something of this. Do you have any suggestions on "proof mark" books?

Thanks again for your help!
Dave


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:42 am 
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Thanks "revdocdrew" !

The pictures were great! - Especially the RICKARD! A lot of them were close, but no cigar.

Thanks again!
Dave


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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:52 pm 
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Belgium proof marks 101 here Dave http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17575181

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 Post subject: Re: RICHARD ( not Richards with an S) "Rabbit Ear"
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:28 pm 
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Once again - Thanks revdocdrew! ! !

Belgian proof marks saved and i will study!

You guys are great!

Dave


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