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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Funny thing, we have been talking about the deals of late and I see a number of Spanish sxs that I have been looking at on a couple of the auction sites that seam to be selling for more than they were a few months ago?




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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:27 pm 
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Chorizo and I noticed that and discussed the other day. I guess either they are reading this forum, or they know they aren't getting any more at the old price. Might be they are just having a sudden increase in sales, and have wised up to current prices.

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:19 pm 
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Goldhky wrote:
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Goldhky, Kyrie and a couple of others have the ability to visit the sellers with most of the current imports for sale.

It is a good thing I don't live close by as I would be digging through their stock on a weekly basis taking the cream off the top. I would also be broke!


Chorizo, the invitation is there. You can come visit anytime you please. It's just a short drive from 3 major airports.

Goldhky


And a kind offer it is. Trust me, if I get out that way, I will be giving you a call.

I just don't know if my pocket book could take it! I wonder if I could frag order a C-141 for an opportune lift?


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:32 pm 
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chorizo wrote:
Goldhky wrote:
chorizo wrote:
Goldhky, Kyrie and a couple of others have the ability to visit the sellers with most of the current imports for sale.

It is a good thing I don't live close by as I would be digging through their stock on a weekly basis taking the cream off the top. I would also be broke!


Chorizo, the invitation is there. You can come visit anytime you please. It's just a short drive from 3 major airports.

Goldhky


And a kind offer it is. Trust me, if I get out that way, I will be giving you a call.

I just don't know if my pocket book could take it! I wonder if I could frag order a C-141 for an opportune lift?


Camp Legune is a little out of the way for me, but Bragg ain't too bad.

Just catch a lift to Raleigh or Greensboro, and we'll be good.

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:54 pm 
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Thanks, Kyrie and Chorizo. I understand and agree with what you are saying. I was just trying to place some of these manufacturers in order, so when I think I have found a deal I'll know if it really is a deal. I recently bought an old Jesus Irazaba (GIB) and refinished it. It is a plain looking gun, but seems well built. I've never heard of, nor seen another one of these guns. I can't find anything out on the manufacture either. But as Chorizo said "Another salvage that is now a very nice gun" I hope it does give me many years of shooting enjoyment.


I recently picked up a GIB also. I love it. The gun practically points itself. It has some surface rust, but the bores are flawless. It shoots like a dream. I got it to take chukar hunting, and it shoots so well I hesitate to take it to the cliffs. Here is a pic of it on the first day out.

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This gun may be a mediocre boxlock, but, it has good wood-metal fit, is tight, and best of all it hits where I point it.

I couldn't stop there, then I picked up an older AYA #4 with nice wood:

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I have become an inveterate troller of gun auction sites looking for the next spanish deal.
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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:54 am 
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Fishnfowler, that is certainly a nice looking gun. Mine shoots well too. Nice balance, and well regulated. Here are a couple pictures of my GIB

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:23 am 
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What a wonderful site this is!! Thank you all so very much for your help and the photos!
1- What do you use to get those close up photos? what are you using to get those white hilites on the marks, etc.?
2- I would like to get as much info. on the numbers & lettters so I can pass the info. along to whoever endss up with the guns, Kids I suspect.
3- I took mY 410 SXS to the gun shop guy and he said it was a mid level quality piece, that quality would be a gun with a single trigger and extractor instead of ejector.
4- in order to look inside to see if the the gun is a sidelock or box lock is ther a particular place to start the disassembly, so I don't end up with parts all over the place?


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:06 pm 
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Fishnfowler's gun with the ducks is a boxlock. Goldhky's is a sidelock.

Most would say the quality is with double triggers. Ejectors cost more and are usually on better guns but some don't like ejectors.

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:31 pm 
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Thanks for the thoughts on the number of triggers and the ejectors vs extractors :)

I assume ther is a way to tell from the outside of the gun which is lock box and which is side lock?


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:35 pm 
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Square=Boxlock
Oval = Sidelock

Some exceptions for false sidelocks covering boxlock internals.

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:14 pm 
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wayne peterson wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts on the number of triggers and the ejectors vs extractors :)

I assume ther is a way to tell from the outside of the gun which is lock box and which is side lock?


Wayne,

Here is a box lock gun:

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And here is a side lock gun:

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See that long metal plate that extends back from the action over the triggers? That’s the ‘side plate’, and it contains the lock work (hammer, sear, spring, etc). That's what makes the gun a ‘side lock’. Here are external and internal views of its lock, removed from the gun:


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Hope this helps.

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:28 pm 
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Wayne,

1. I use a common digital camera that cost me about $150, on macro mode. Small parts - like side locks - I put directly on a desktop scanner. The white highlights are 'Laquer Stik', available from Brownells. White is the color I prefer for contrast, but laquer sticks come in all colors.

2. Good on ya! We're just the custodians of these guns - they will outlast us. As good stewards, we should pass them on in the best possible shape with as much written history as possible. Those who come after will appreciate the effort.

3. I agree that double triggers and extractors make a better gun than single triggers, but this is all just personal taste. Quality is largely in our mind's eye.

4. There is usually no need to open a gun up to see if it is a box lock - see my other post.



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What a wonderful site this is!! Thank you all so very much for your help and the photos!
1- What do you use to get those close up photos? what are you using to get those white hilites on the marks, etc.?
2- I would like to get as much info. on the numbers & lettters so I can pass the info. along to whoever endss up with the guns, Kids I suspect.
3- I took mY 410 SXS to the gun shop guy and he said it was a mid level quality piece, that quality would be a gun with a single trigger and extractor instead of ejector.
4- in order to look inside to see if the the gun is a sidelock or box lock is ther a particular place to start the disassembly, so I don't end up with parts all over the place?

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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:57 pm 
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These modern machines sure make lewarning a lot easier !! Thank you , I see how to tell the difference between a side lick & box lock. That's pretty straight forward with pictures :(

Thank you for the other info as well, I'll see if my camera has a "macro" setting and will try to find some of that laquer stuff, that sure makes things jump right out at ya.


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:41 pm 
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Well, I hope this works !! There should be 6 photos of a gun that I'm trying to get info about. MOstly I'd like to know what "F.A.B. Arms " means. Is there any significance to it being "California Special" and does anybody know the meaning of "mundial" which is stamped in the metal part, not the wood.

Here it goes !!


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Goldhky wrote:
have wised up to current prices.Goldhky


There are still some deals available :)

There is an other shotguns (and fabarms forum a couple of doors down) they might be able to help?


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:31 pm 
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I sure hate to be a dunce about all of this stuff, but what does it mean there are other forums a "few doors down"?

I looked at me post and I didn't see any pictures, does that mean they didn't get sent?

Thank you for the help. Wayne


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:34 pm 
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wayne peterson wrote:
Well, I hope this works !! There should be 6 photos of a gun that I'm trying to get info about. MOstly I'd like to know what "F.A.B. Arms " means. Is there any significance to it being "California Special" and does anybody know the meaning of "mundial" which is stamped in the metal part, not the wood.

Here it goes !!


Mundial (it is Spanish) means worldwide.

We need pictures, when you get it figured out, we will be able to help you with just guessing.


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:07 pm 
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Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.

I'll go back to the drawing board and see if I can try some other way to send the pictures. This really is a great place, I just have to figger out how to find my way around.

Would "world wide" or "mundial" mean anything in particular as it relates to a gun?


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:42 pm 
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wayne peterson wrote:
Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.

I'll go back to the drawing board and see if I can try some other way to send the pictures. This really is a great place, I just have to figger out how to find my way around.

Would "world wide" or "mundial" mean anything in particular as it relates to a gun?


No. Just like the Spanish guns called Matador or Bunker.


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 Post subject: Re: spanish shotguns
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:58 am 
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In this case the word 'Mundial' is stamped in small letters on the water table. I'd speculate it was the importer's/exporter's name.



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