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 Post subject: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:10 pm 
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I just picked up a H&R single shot 12 gauge from a friend. It was given to him by a gun collector friend. He was told it is 105 yrs old (now). I just cleaned it and will probably be cleaning it again. I would like to shoot it once it is cleaned and wandered if I need to get a certain shell because of its age.

The Serial # is 214924- I was wondering what the year and model is?

I bought it for $25 and figured if I'll never be able to shoot it, it will make a good mantle piece. Just curious about the value of the shotgun. It has a little rust on the barrel and has some old black tape behind the release where the wood cracked. I could always post a pic if anyone is interested. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 10:55 pm 
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Pictures would be good.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 11:01 pm 
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If it has a serial number, it's really doubtful that it's 100 years old. I think they only started serial numbers after 1968. Either way, it's around $100 brand new... adjust downwards for rust, wear, etc...


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:49 am 
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drsfmd is right about the serial number thing, your gun is likely only about 50 years old, if its good and tight shoot it with 2 3/4 inch target loads, be prepared for some recoil.

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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:26 am 
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 did, in fact, mandate that all newly-manufactured firearms produced by licensed manufacturers in the United States and imported into the United States bear a serial number. Firearms manufactured prior to the Gun Control Act and Firearms manufactured by non-FFLs remain exempt from the serial number requirement. Still, many manufacturers, like H&R, Bay State and others, were already using serial numbers long before 1968 making it possible to own a serial numbered H&R over 42 years old. Call H&R and ask them how old it is.

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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:44 am 
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Well i tried to attach some photos, but it said could not upload attachment. Any idea why?


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:13 am 
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No idea unless it's size related. You can send them to me and I can load them or, better still, open a free Photobucket account and then posting pics is so much easier.

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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:54 pm 
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When was it made? Tough call, but I'd guess sometime between 1908 and 1948.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
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In that the gun shown only carries the Feb. 27, 1900 patent date, which equates to Martin Bye's Patent No. 644,402, I'd guess it is a fairly early gun, more in the 1905 give or take range. The H&R singles I have that I know are from before WW-I, have additional later patent dates.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:12 pm 
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Thanks for all the help. Any idea on the A21? Are there more numbers under the tape?


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:48 pm 
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I'd bet on 4924 under the tape.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:11 pm 
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Thanks, but what exactly does that mean? Model number? Does the "A" stand for a certain time frame they were made.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:34 pm 
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Joe, I spoke to Danny at H&R today and asked about the significance of the A designator and he told me that it was denoting the year of manufacture, in this case, A is 1940. That means yours is the 214,924th unit built (26,954 after mine) in 1940.
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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
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That just aint so. My H&R single is a model that wasn't made after WW-I and mine's serial number is preceeded by an A.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Researcher01 wrote:
That just aint so. My H&R single is a model that wasn't made after WW-I and mine's serial number is preceeded by an A.

(866) 776-9292 ask for Danny and see if you get a different answer.

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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:51 pm 
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Don't mean to dig up an old thread, but Researcher01 has a point.
Wrote to Shooting Times about 20 years ago concerning my grandfather's H&R single and they said it was built in 1915.
The serial starts with an "A".
Moreover, I have the chart that shows the H&R date codes (they're floating around here somewhere) and while it does designate "A" for 1940, I think what the date code list is really telling us is that the letter designation became the year of manufacture designator, STARTING in 1940.
I believe that form may have been adopted, because H&R didn't want to upset the number string it had already created (thus, the number keeps progressing as it was, but only the letter changes with the year. See what I'm sayin'?)
I think to determine whether or not the gun dates from 1940, one has to figure out where the serial numbers put it, first.
If it puts it in the 1940 model year, then the "A" would mean the gun is from 1940.

....and therein lies the charm of transition pieces. ;)



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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:04 pm 
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Joe_Joe: Your gun is a model 1908, made between 1908 and 1942.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
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Technically the H & R Model 1908 was replaced by the No. 8 between 1929 and 1932, similarly the small-frame Model 1915 was replaced by the No. 5.


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 Post subject: Re: H&R 12 Gauge
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:09 pm 
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How do I know whether my model of 1915 is small frame or large frame?
Is there such a thing as a "large frame 1915"?


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