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 Post subject: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:05 pm 
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I am the second owner of a LC Smith Eagle Trap purchased by the original owner around May of 1901. It is in very good condition and I am keen to determine it's value. Any suggestions?
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 Post subject: Re: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:17 pm 
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Can't be an Eagle purchased in 1901---- please post complete S/N including letter prefix and a much better description of condition and features, and someone can help you.


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 Post subject: Re: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:53 pm 
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The serial # is 2165 S, there is a date inscribed on the fore stock. It looks like Pat'd May 28 1901. The lock plate is beautifully engraved with a pheasant scene on one side, a duck on the other and an eagle on top. It has a vent rib. The stock appears to have the original finish with a couple minor scratches.


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 Post subject: Re: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:27 pm 
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If the serial number is indeed only 4 digits, with a 'S' underneath, it started out as a Specialty grade made in 1918.
21655 would be 1919.

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Does it have L.C. Smith Eagle Grade on the top of the right barrel?

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You can learn much more about your gun here http://www.lcsmith.org/index.html
And a Research Letter would confirm the original configuration, and possibly the purchaser
http://www.lcsmith.org/shotguns/researchdivision.html

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 Post subject: Re: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:54 pm 
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I is definitely L.C.Smith Eagle Trap. It is single barrel. The serial # is the same on the barrel, the breech and the fore-arm,--2165 S.


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 Post subject: Re: Value of LC Smith 12 ga
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:12 pm 
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The Elsie SBT's are great guns. Top shooters used them to set a number of records during the 1920's and 30's.

The patent date of May 28, 1901 which appears on the forearm iron concerns only the latching mechanism of the forearm which was also employed on earlier models. The grade of the gun should be stamped on the upper left side of the barrel over the chamber.

The Standard Catalog of Firearms lists production of L.C. Smith single barrel trap guns as beginning in 1917 and ending in 1951. Frank Conley's book,
"The American Single barrel Trap Gun" lists a May 15, 1917 date as the first price listing of the L.C. Smith SBT, listing only the Specialty Grade trap gun. Dealer cost was US$73.75, reselling at US$85.00 wholesale and reselling at US$100.00 retail. During 1918, the company revised the price list and added the Eagle grade at US$135.00, the Crown at US$185.00 and the Monogram at US$310.00. A Whippet grade was produced from October 1927 until May 1928. Only 12 of the Whippet model were made. The Olympic grade was added in 1928. According to L.C. Smith records a total of only 56 Eagle grade SBT's were produced.

The grand total of L.C. Smith SBT guns produced by Hunter Arms company and Marlin is reported to be 2,666. Of those, 155 guns were produced by Marlin from 1946 until 1950 or 1951. The Marlin built guns appear to have been made with left over parts acquired from the Hunter Arms Company. William Brophy's book, "Plans and Specifications of the L.C. Smith Shotgun" has factory dimensioned drawings of all the parts which will provide a gunsmith with all the information to manufacture needed parts.



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