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 Post subject: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:23 pm 
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Have a budget of 2000-5000 dollars. Looking for shotgun for quail hunting, protection of our home, and just general use. My wife and I are tall, 6'2 and 5'11. We are in our 60s. looking for a english shotgun that our son would be proud to inherit when we are gone, any sugestions for sites that can be trusted and gun makers that are of good quality and worth? Thanks in advance.




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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:07 pm 
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So far I have looked at english shotguns at Hill Rod & Gun, Vintage Doubles,Atkin Grant & Lane, and Champlin Firearms. Am I on the right track?


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:19 pm 
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I really like this shotgun at Atkin Grant & Lane.
http://www.atkingrantandlang.co.uk/gund ... asp?id=709
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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:26 pm 
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I would say most certainly. If its merely an English STYLE shotfun that you desire, I'd suggest a Grulla or a nice Merkel. If it's true English you want a nice Webley and Scott like the one for sale in our classifieds section would suit nicely. Now those are all suggestions for new guns. If you don't mind a vintage gun, look around for a nice Boswell, or a Cogswell and Harrison, CG Bonehill, or WW Greener.

Make sure that the chambers are 2.75" FROM the factory and that the gun is in proof before you buy it. A nice 1950's WC Scott would be nice too.

Look on gunsinternational.com, and gunsamerica.com.

Good luck and tell us what you get!

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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Nice Lancaster but it has 2.5" chambers. That's going to be crippling in the US. I'm on my blackberry so I can't see your location but if you're in the US, that short chamber is going to be a financial burden.

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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:45 pm 
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Thanks for the suggestions and advice, just getting started.


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:01 pm 
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How about this Merkel?
http://www.hillrodandgun.com/picture.php?id=12551


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:13 pm 
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2.5" chambers are no problem if you reload and 2.5" factory loads are available from several sources at about $11 - $12 a box delivered (in 10 box flats). I reload so 2.5" chambers are a non-issue for me. My 2.5" chambered gun is a 16 gauge Joseph Lang built in 1866 which was rebarreled in damascus by James Woodward in or before 1872. I've put around 2,900 cartridges through this old hammer gun since I bought it 2 1/2 years ago.

Just this year I bought a 12 gauge J & W Tolley with damascus barrels which was built between 1887 and 1894. The chambers were let out to 2.75" on this gun and it was reproofed with the longer chambers. It is still a low pressure gun and should not be shot with standard American ammuntion (SAAMI standard). Again I reload so it is a non-issue but shooting 2.5" shells would be advisable is you do not reload.

Also, even if a British gun has factory 2.75" chambers if it is an older gun its proof may be for lower pressure cartridges than the current SAAMI standard. But this also true of most American guns of the same vintage.

You did not show your location in your profile so I don't know how far these are located from you but at the Vintagers shoot September 23-26 at Pintail Point near Easton, MD there will be thousands of good old guns to look at. Also, at the Fall Southern SxS shoot October 22-24 at Backwoods Quail Club near Georgetown, SC there will be plenty to see.


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:25 pm 
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That a nice Merkel! Pretty gun.

FlyChamps is right. If you reload 2.5" shells aren't too much trouble if you reload. However comparatively speaking, they're twice to three times the price of normal shells if you have to ship them.

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A 2 1/2" chamber with the cones lengthened to 1 1/4-1 1/2" and polished should have no problem shooting low pressure RSTs or Polywad 2 3/4" shells or even Winchester AA light.

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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:43 pm 
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Guys thanks for the advice, just started looking, but I will get there. Located in North alabama.


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:04 pm 
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Here is one that is interesthttp://www.champlinarms.com/Def ... ID=1876ing, any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:51 pm 
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oldtiger wrote:


Bad link.

You need to come to Georgetown in October so that you can see what's at the Fall SxS. You can never know for sure which dealers will be there but Steve Barnett, Patrick Willough-McCabe, Kirby Hoyt from Vintage Doubles, and Phil Futrell from Mid-South Guns were there last year.

Here's a link to the Fall SxS http://www.deepriver.net/SouthernSideby ... fault.aspx - you can link to more info at the top of this page.


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:41 pm 
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If i can talk the wife into this trip, love to attend, I know this shotgun is sleeved and 2 1/2 chamber, but I really like this. 2 1/2 shells do not bother me.
http://www.vintagedoubles.com/inventory ... &gunID=928


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:21 pm 
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Oldtiger, here is a gun I've been eyeballing for a few weeks. It's not English, but Belgian. It looks nice, and depending where the reserve is, could be a nice heirloom. I'd pay about 1/5 of what the reserve is.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =180502603


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Goldhky- link?

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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:33 pm 
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Sorry phi's, too much wine tonight :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:38 am 
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Nice gun, have no idea what a top bid, what si gun really worth?


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:18 am 
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You might also want to check out Willoughby and McCabe http://wmandco.com/WM/ and Steve Barnett Fine Guns http://www.stevebarnettfineguns.com/.

If you want to do some research, read Terry Wieland's Vintage British Shotguns or Diggory Hadoke's Vintage Guns for the Modern Shot - both are very informative.


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 Post subject: Re: English SxS shotguns
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:31 am 
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Oh yeah also check out Quality Arms at http://www.qualityarmsinc.com/

They've got a great little Webley and Scott 12 as well as a nice Grulla.



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