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 Post subject: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:16 pm 
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My father who never used anything other than a 410, even for waterfowl, always said the 2 1/2" shells had a more uniform pattern. So that's what I've been using in my new found subgauge. Would the 3 inch shells give any advantage? and is it true they don't pattern as well as the shortys?



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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:18 pm 
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In terms of pattern percentage, I'm sure that the 2.5 inch shell does a better job than the 3 inch shell. The very long shot column of the 2.5 inch shell is even longer with the 3 inch shell (meaning more deformation of the lower tiers of shot due to setback forces), and neither has a proper wad, just a shot cup. In addition, many of the shot cups in the 3 inch shells don't protect the entire length of the shot column, leaving the top portion of the shot column more vulnerable to bore scrub. Thus, with the 3 inch shell, there is more chance for shot deformation and fliers. But.....with a 2.5 inch shell, you have a 1/2 oz of shot, while the 3 inch shells have 11/16 oz or 38% more shot. I think you would probably still retain more shot in the effective pattern area with the 3 inch shell than you would with the 2.5 inch shell. Neither loading, in my opinion is good for more than about 30 to 35 yds. I've hunted doves and game farm pheasants with 410's and it is a great deal of fun as long as you respect its limitations.
I would suggest that you buy one box each of 2.5" and 3" shells, then shoot some patterns (on a large sheet of paper or cardboard) at 25 yds and judge for yourself!


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:45 am 
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I've shot a lot of doves with both. I can't see a big difference between the two. Patterning them will leave you scratching your head. I stick with the 2.5 for ease of reloading if nothing more.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:13 pm 
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GaryE wrote:
In terms of pattern percentage, I'm sure that the 2.5 inch shell does a better job than the 3 inch shell. The very long shot column of the 2.5 inch shell is even longer with the 3 inch shell (meaning more deformation of the lower tiers of shot due to setback forces), and neither has a proper wad, just a shot cup. In addition, many of the shot cups in the 3 inch shells don't protect the entire length of the shot column, leaving the top portion of the shot column more vulnerable to bore scrub. Thus, with the 3 inch shell, there is more chance for shot deformation and fliers. But.....with a 2.5 inch shell, you have a 1/2 oz of shot, while the 3 inch shells have 11/16 oz or 38% more shot. I think you would probably still retain more shot in the effective pattern area with the 3 inch shell than you would with the 2.5 inch shell. Neither loading, in my opinion is good for more than about 30 to 35 yds. I've hunted doves and game farm pheasants with 410's and it is a great deal of fun as long as you respect its limitations.
I would suggest that you buy one box each of 2.5" and 3" shells, then shoot some patterns (on a large sheet of paper or cardboard) at 25 yds and judge for yourself!


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:59 am 
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I have more confidence in 2 1/2" patterns for birds within 25-35 yards but can't help but recall a late shooting friend who was a regional sales manager with Remington in the 60s-70s-80s. Bill was an Industry All-American at skeet and an avid bird hunter. I fondly remember numerous dove shoots in which he seemed to take everything in reason with 3" 7 1/2s from an 870. Maybe head down, smooth swing, follow through has as much or more to do with it than what you shoot?

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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:13 pm 
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I´v used 2 1/2" cartridges with good results. I have a Win 42, full choke and doesn´t seem to like anything bigger than number 6 shot, but gives me good results on doves with 7.5 shot.

BTW, here in Mexico, we have Aguila ammunition. That´s all I use. The website states that it has 1/2 oz delivering 1,100 ft/sec velocity.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:31 pm 
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I have found my 3" 11/16 reloads using copper plated buffered shot, 296 or H110 powder and rem wad in rem hull far superior to the 1/2 oz skeet load...Just my experience...your results may differ...I use bonafide recipe. Honer :D

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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:12 pm 
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I've found 3" #6 shot shells very effective for hunting grouse and rabbits. I've used Remington, Federal, and Winchester pretty much interchangeably. They seem to pattern fine for me out of a modified choke at 25 yards, and I have lots of confidence in them.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:02 am 
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I load and shoot 3" only in my .410s and have killed many doves with them. To me there is no real down side to 3" shells, unlike other gauges there is no real difference in recoil and the extra cost to load them is very small.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 3 inch vs 2 1/2inch shells?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:01 pm 
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I prefer the 3" in 7.5 shot for my 410 hunting needs.Specially the Winchesters.




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