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 Post subject: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:42 pm 
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The doctor diagnosed me today as having an inflammed rotator cuff....it's a mild case and he said it looks like I just "tweaked" it (e.g. strained it from weightlifting), and it does not appear to be a full tear. Some medication and 4 to 6 weeks of physical therapy was his prescription for a full recovery.

how many have had a similar case of some type of rotator cuff condition but still were able to shoot while healing?Or do I have to suck it up and put the gun down completelyt for a while? :(

It sucks to have happened now when the heat and humidity started to finally go away and become more enjoyable to shoot outside again....




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:47 pm 
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Had one, gone now, had to put the gun down for a season before shooting
as much as I did before the tear.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:34 pm 
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I had what we thought was rotator cuff problems but it only turned out to be bone spurs during the SURGERY ! Anyway, had the surgery and waited about 6-8 weeks before shooting (or lifting or doing ANYTHING very strenuous) especially with that arm. Started back shooting again BUT with my SX 1 , not my O/U and never had the least bit of pain. Just give the shoulder a rest, smell the roses, have a beer but just let your body heal itself. Trust me, you WON'T enjoy the surgery......Jack

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:36 am 
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Several gents I shoot with have had RC surgery - most sat out at LEAST 6 weeks and then gently started with light loads such as 410 or 28 in heavy guns. Once cleared by the doc, they're back to normal

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:58 am 
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Is it the recoil shoulder :?: ....if so 6-8 weeks and good effort in rehab should do it.

Is it the front hand shoulder :?: .....my shooting buddy's doc said "go shoot....any movement is/was a good thing."

Most important thing....do the rehab even though it hurts like hell.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:43 am 
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yeah, it's the recoil shoulder. Guess I'll be on the sidelines for a while then :(


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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:38 pm 
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Mine gives me hell but i still can shoot. A physical therapist friend tells me it's a timing issue and not a tear. Because of all the shooting I have done over the years my upper shoulder and upper back muscles are stronger than the muscles that hold the bottom of my shoulder blades. Allowing the shoulder blade to rotate out at the bottom where its weak and in at the top where its strong. This Causes the forward group of muscles in my rotator to get caught between my collar bone and the top of the humorus (I think that's how it goes). Anyway shooting is not so much a problem but reaching in a forward motion at times will cause the binding resulting in terrible pain. Such as reaching for the radio while driving. If she's right, I think it may be the underlying cause of shoulder pain for a lot of us shooters.

May not be your problem at all but something for us to think about.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:51 pm 
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I was told it is rotary cuff tendinitis, not a tear, so at least I don't have to have any sort of surgery....for now :?
I am slated to see the physical therapist in about a week or so, so I'll ask about continuing on with shooting.

edit: have to ask, would using a mechanical recoil device and/or light target loads in an O/U prevent future flares up or problems with the rotator cuff?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:05 pm 
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If you normally shoot a 12 gauge O/U you might try some 20 or 28 gauge tubes for the gun. Tubes add weight and the lighter shells (especially the 28) produce less felt recoil. Performance does not decline much unless you go all the way to the 410.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:00 pm 
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I have tried my hardest not to chime in but I can't help it.

In your situation; being that your shoulder is inflamed "tendonistis" I would take a break from shooting for a whaile because you are fighting inflamation.

give it a chance to settle down and your rehab will be much more successful.

I have had three surgeries, two for a torn rotator cuff and the last was a decompression surgery in an effort to stop the pain. My rotator cuff is healed but I live every day in pain.

I had Ken Rucker install a bumpbuster on my O/U. I also shoot as light a load as I can get and I am sure I would not be able to shoot at all.

winter is coming (here anyway; don't recall where you are) it is a decent time to take a break. Otherwise I think you will be wasting your time and money doing PT. I think it is a one step forward and two steps back type of thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:45 pm 
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Any help w/ recoil will help your inflamed tissues heal....but it may require a lay off , too.

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
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It is pretty hard to predict how this is going to work out. I had shooters tell me that the shoulder of the trigger hand recovers faster because the movements are close to the body.

My injury was from a series of falls and I detached all four tendons of the RC. The last fall was mid February; I had the surgery on May1 and my first shooting was 93 days after the surgery I shot 50 targets with a light 20 ga 1100. I was back to shooting and hunting by mid September.

Put your self in the hands of a good physical therapist who can understand why you need to get back to shooting. rehab fora shoulder after surgery is like a second job. It was about 2.5 hours a day in the last stages of it. use Ice after every session of therapy and after you shoot.

If surgery is the recommendation, do not put it off very long.

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:16 am 
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You should only see a board certified orthopedic surgein who does NOTHING but shoulders. This person should have done a fellowship in shoulders. These docs are an elite group.

I was told I needed surgery by a general "sports" ortho guy. The 2nd opinion shoulder specialist had me cured just with PT.

Get a second opinion and practice caveat emptor with surgeons.

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It is pretty hard to predict how this is going to work out. I had shooters tell me that the shoulder of the trigger hand recovers faster because the movements are close to the body.

My injury was from a series of falls and I detached all four tendons of the RC. The last fall was mid February; I had the surgery on May1 and my first shooting was 93 days after the surgery I shot 50 targets with a light 20 ga 1100. I was back to shooting and hunting by mid September.

Put your self in the hands of a good physical therapist who can understand why you need to get back to shooting. rehab fora shoulder after surgery is like a second job. It was about 2.5 hours a day in the last stages of it. use Ice after every session of therapy and after you shoot.

If surgery is the recommendation, do not put it off very long.

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
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Huntingwithdaughters is spot on with his advice. You want a surgeon who has a lot of experience with RC surgery and has a good reputation.

Once I started moving the arm on my own I got permission from my PT to use a gunstock, and once I could use light weights, I put the receiver in that stock and practiced my mount and swing.

I still work on both shoulders with flexibility and strength and I just worked through a bout of tendonitis in my right shoulder that was operated on in '67. I laid off shooting for two weeks and iced it after all workouts and after my first two shoots. What I dd not like about this last injury was it came from pitting pie cherries.

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
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nothing like a good cherry pie accident.

I can't think of a better way to go out. :lol:

The second opinion is great advice. I feel srongly that my outcome would have been much better had I gotten one. It is hard because they take a while to see and if you are really hurting it is hard not to go with the first guy you see.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:26 pm 
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dcblvsh2 wrote:
nothing like a good cherry pie accident.

I can't think of a better way to go out. :lol:



I see your point but, Sorry.......Strawberry/Rhubarb would certainly be better... :P


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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:39 pm 
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sernv99-----You can turn a "tweaked" rotator cuff into a train wreck very quickly. Ask the Doctor not the therapist---and then follow his/her instructions, please. Also, it's fun to swap tales about this stuff--but I did not see anyone sign-off as Doctor of Orthopedic Surgery.

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
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I am certainly no ortho but I do have quite a bit of experience to share. which is what the op asked for.

That being said, everybodies advice seems reasonable. Everyone agrees that he sould do what he is told and let the thing heal. Unless he wants to live a life on pain meds like me. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:57 pm 
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I had a RC mild tear, with a torn labrum. Shoulders take 1 year plus to heal. Mine took 2 years, and still hurts on occasion. I gave up the .30-06 for a .243. My surgeon was a moron, and he was a shoulder guy.

Now I look for a semi, and managed recoil loads to tame recoil.

I shot my pump with clay loads the other day. I was fine.
I also sighted in my .243 bolt, and I was fine. But I still fear the recoil.
Just give up the heavy loads, and let the shoulder recover first.

Now I am just getting into clays, so I will look for something light.


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 Post subject: Re: Rotator cuff injury: still able to shoot?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:13 pm 
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thanks to all that chimed in....did 3 weeks of physical therapy, my rotator cuff does not bother me on a normal day to day basis so I will slowly get back into doing light weight lifting (low weight, high reps) and continue to build up my rotator cuff with the exercises that physical therapist had outlined for me. Shooting clays has not inflammed it or bothered it so I am happy for that....




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