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 Post subject: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:47 pm 
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OK, got a 12 gauge 1187 premier skeet that I've had for 15 years, gets used for everything from targets to pheasant. I have 4 chokes for the gun, mod/IC for hunting and skeet #1 for targets, the #2 skeet has never been in the gun. Question is exactly what do you use a #2 skeet for? It's kind of stuck there between a IC and a mod size wise and the skeet#1 takes care of anything else. any ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:19 pm 
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The Skeet 2 choke is the same as Light Modified (.015" constriction). I can [not] see any good reason to use it on the Skeet field with a 12 or 20 gauge. It is a very nice choke for Sporting Clays.

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:23 pm 
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Do any gun/choke makers differentiate between SkeetII and Light Modified? I thought skeet chokes were based upon their pattern at 25 yards, while other chokes are based upon their percentages at 40 yards.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:26 pm 
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The Skeet 2 choke is for those times you want a little more choke than Imp Cyl, but not as much as Mod. The Skeet 2 kind of splits the difference between these two chokes. Some people like it a lot and some people have no need for it at all. Different strokes for different folks.

I think that Scott meant to say that he can NOT see any good reason to use it on the skeet field with a 12 or 20 gauge gun. I agree with him.

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:38 pm 
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Ulysses wrote:
Different strokes for different folks.


Actually it is different chokes for different folks :wink: .

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:19 pm 
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Back in the days of fiber wads, roll crimps, and soft shot, skeet shooters needed more choke than we do with modern ammo. Skeet was shot with Skt1 and Skt2 chokes, sometimes called "Skeet in" and "Skeet out", in reference to the incoming and outgoing targets. Skeet2 was tighter than IC.

In his 1983 book (referring to standards that were old at that time), Ralph Walker listed the traditional choke designations and constrictions as Skt .005, IC .009, Skt2 .012, and Mod .019. There was no Light Mod at that time.

Briley's designations are Skt .005, IC .010, LM .015, and Mod .020.

So, Skt2 was a little tighter than IC, but not quite as tight as what we now call LM. Some choke tube makers still produce a Skt2 choke in that range, but Seminole puts Skt2 at .008, which is between Skt1 and IC. I haven't a clue why Seminole does that.

Is everyone thoroughly confused now?

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:27 pm 
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MrBen,
Should have figured it was something like that! And as for the roll crimps and felt wads, I remember them quite well, I was 11 when I got my first hunting license(like 1956).

Thanks to all, very informative!
:idea: Think I'll give a try on the old pattern board next chance I get, just might be a very usable choke after all?


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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:26 am 
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Bringing this one back from 2004 :)

I have a Zoli that came with a skeet, skeet 2, ic, lm, mod, and imp mod. So my question is the skeet 2 is tighter than an ic but not as tight as the lm?

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The only way to tell for sure is to measure the inside diameter and compare it to the other chokes inside diameters. Different manufacturers use different dimensions, but call 'em by the same name.

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:57 am 
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Not necessarily in a Remchoke. I measured one and it was nowhere near a light modified. Sorry, I can't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was right where I would have expected a skeet choke to be. The Winchester skeet 2's were light mod, but unless the Remchoke I got was mislabeled, that wasn't the case. I don't believe any choke tube labels until I've measured them.


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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
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There is also the possibility it is a 'euro skeet' IIRC they are about -0.005" constriction (slightly more open than cylinder.) US convention though is that it is between IC and mod.

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:07 am 
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WinM12 wrote:
Do any gun/choke makers differentiate between SkeetII and Light Modified? I thought skeet chokes were based upon their pattern at 25 yards, while other chokes are based upon their percentages at 40 yards.



Yes, Briley does and considers Skeet II to be more like .007, not .015. There used to be Skeet In and Skeet Out chokes which were typically .003 and .007

http://www.briley.com/boresizesandconstrictions.aspx

They call it IMK for Improved Skeet


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So my question is the skeet 2 is tighter than an ic but not as tight as the lm?


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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
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The only way to really know is to use a bore mic. I have a Remchoke from Remington that is labeled IMP SKEET, and it mics .729. My Carlsons skeet choke is labeled .725 and mics .726. I just miced one of my 1100 barrels and it was .728.
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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:02 pm 
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oregunner wrote:
I have a Remchoke from Remington that is labeled IMP SKEET, and it mics .729 which is only a .002 constriction in most Remington guns, which are .727.


Just a minor point: If your bore mikes .727 and your choke mikes .729, it is a .002 NEGATIVE or spreader choke, not a .002 constriction. Did you possibly mean your Rem bore is .729 -- IME most Rem bores are close to .730 -- and your ISk choke is .727 ?

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 Post subject: Re: #2 skeet choke?
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Jack, the measurements are correct, but you caught the negative constriction. I edited my post. Mark
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