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 Post subject: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:17 am 
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Title says it. What can I shot through a recently bought 1897 manufactured in 1903?

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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:41 am 
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Whatever 2 3/4" shells you want to, unless your 97 has a damascus barrel.


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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:24 am 
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I would suggest that you stay away from steel shot and Hevishot. This ammo was not even dreamed of in 1903. Also, if it were my gun, I would not choose the 1 1/2oz "Short Magnum" loads. Not that the gun could not handle them when it was new 107 years ago, but the wood tends to dry out and some of the parts may be worn. Just not a good idea to push it.

I shoot several vintage guns and I like to use low recoil and lower pressure ammo in them. It is not nice to take an old horse out and ride her too hard. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:53 pm 
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Are we sure the OP's shotgun has a 2 3/4" chamber?


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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:11 pm 
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All 1897's had 2 3/4" chambers. It was the 1893 that had the 2 1/2" chambers. As Don said, in his post, some of the early 1897's had damascus barrels. Not many, but there were some. Those one's you may want to be a tad cautious.

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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:33 pm 
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wraco wrote:
All 1897's had 2 3/4" chambers. It was the 1893 that had the 2 1/2" chambers. As Don said, in his post, some of the early 1897's had damascus barrels. Not many, but there were some. Those one's you may want to be a tad cautious.

Rod


Rod, I thought I remembered some 2 5/8" chambers. Was that Model 12s? Or am I just mis-remembering?


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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:03 pm 
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Rod, I thought I remembered some 2 5/8" chambers. Was that Model 12s? Or am I just mis-remembering?[/quote]

I believe you're correct. The 1893 did have 2 5/8" chambers in 12 ga.

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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:23 pm 
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Rod is right.

Model 1893 - 2 5/8" only.

Model 1897 - 2 3/4" only.

Model 1912 (12 gauge) 2 3/4" in the beginning. The 3" was added in 1935.


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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:25 pm 
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According to George Madis, earlier Model 1897's were, "made in 12 gauge only and could handle the two and five-eighth or two and three quarter inch shell". 16 gauge guns were chambered for the
2-5/8" shell until serial numbers in the early 800,000 range when the 2-3/4' shell became standard.



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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
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Certainly the longer 2 3/4" chamber could handle the shorter 2 5/8" shell.

The 16 gauge were NOT chambered for 2 5/8" shells. They were chambered for 2 9/16" shells.


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 Post subject: Re: All Loads Safe for a 1903 made Model 1897?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:26 pm 
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Ole Cowboy,

Thanks for the correction. I quoted George Madis wherein he states that 16 gauge Model 1897's were chambered for 2-5/8" and 2-3/4" shells. I should have recognized the error as my old Lefever Nitro Special was chambered for the then STANDARD 16 gauge 2-9/16" shell. Sorry about that.

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