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 Post subject: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:23 pm 
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Got a hole at the club that you will only have a shot over/in the dekes. 15 to 25 yards, anything over that will lose you the bird in the cattails.

Going to use IC choke with #4 or #6 steel shot, opinions?


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:34 pm 
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Consider forgetting the #6.

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:51 pm 
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At the yardages you state a CYL, SK or IC will work but the more open chokes will give you a little more pattern spread which will make hitting a little easier.

Here are some patterns from my gun with those chokes to give you an idea of the pattern density you might be getting at 30 yards, of course the 15-25 yard patterns will just be tighter.

Pattern numbers from my 12-gauge Browning Citori w/ 28" Invector-plus barrels using Briley flush chokes (patterns average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, and in-shell pellet count average of five).

30 YARDS
Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 oz #6 steel (314 pellets) -- CYL / 169 (54%)
Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 oz #6 steel (314 pellets) -- SK / 236 (75%)
Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 oz #6 steel (314 pellets) -- IC / 252 (80%)

Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #4 steel (218 pellets) -- CYL / 132 (61%)
Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #4 steel (218 pellets) -- SK / 176 (81%)
Sportsman Steel 2 3/4" 1 1/8 oz #4 steel (218 pellets) -- IC / 202 (93%)

As you can see, even my CYL choke with 1 1/8 oz of #4 steel has has plenty of pattern density for duck shooting at 30 yards so it should be just fine for the closer distances you listed. The #6 steel load will kill any duck you shoot at at those distances but I would go with the #4s to reduce the number of pellets in the meat for eating/dental purposes.

Remember, you'll want to pattern your gun/load/choke combo since it may differ from mine.

Good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:21 pm 
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When I hunted a lot in flooded timber, I used a skeet choke with DryLok 1 3/8oz #2 steel and did well but I patterned the gun, choke and various shells to arrive at that. Recommend you do the same. I would not consider shooting big ducks, like mallards, with anything less than #2 steel, even at close range and #4 would be my minimum for teal and wood ducks.

If you are hunting something as tight as you describe, it would be wise to have a dog, at least one available to help after the hunt to retrieve lost birds because you ARE going to have some go down in the tall stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:45 pm 
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I have been thinking about a skeet choke only have the browning invector plus IC that came with the gun( plus Mod, Full ad a high flyer mod I bought).


Dog will go with me when the weather gets cold.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:52 pm 
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2 3/4" #2's steel loads, like the remington sportsmen 1375fps loads. out of the stock imp cyl. #3 steel if you can find them. I'm highly biased against any steel shot #4 and smaller for waterfowl.

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:02 pm 
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I would go with SK and #4s. Maybe cyl and #4s.

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Some of you all are smoking crack if you think you NEED 2s for ducks under 25 yards.....cyl or ic and #4s will kill every duck or goose that drops into your dekes at less than 25 yards.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:11 am 
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Lakenut wrote:
Some of you all are smoking crack if you think you NEED 2s for ducks under 25 yards.....cyl or ic and #4s will kill every duck or goose that drops into your dekes at less than 25 yards.


+1 on that. I'd pass on the cylinder choke, though, and go with skeet or I/C.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05 am 
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Lakenut wrote:
Some of you all are smoking crack if you think you NEED 2s for ducks under 25 yards.....cyl or ic and #4s will kill every duck or goose that drops into your dekes at less than 25 yards.


Very true. But, I think that the problem with anything smaller is pattern density at those ranges. 15 yards through a cylinder choke is close, even for lead, and steel or one of the heavier than lead alternatives will generally be even tighter. Unless you can get some really light loads, the #2s might be a viable alternative to duckburger.

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:15 am 
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I agree that is ridiculous to think u can't kill ducks that close with #4. Hell I did it all weekend and ranges much further then that. I usally start the season out with 4 and 3's. I hunt in Texas so usally after the split into late season when they get spooky of decoys will I go to a number 2.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:49 pm 
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Of course you can kill ducks with #4 steel. I will not buy them for ducks, As stated in my post i am highly biased against them. Steel #3 is a pellet i will buy, but most suppliers alway have #2 on the shelf. If i was going to shoot ducks at 25yds I would fill my pocket with my 1oz #3 steel loads. 150 #3 pellets at 1475fps and use the skeet barrel on my 12ga 1100. But that was not the original question. Did i mention i was highly biased against #4 steel and smaller for waterfowl?

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
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No one has mentioned 10 ga 3.5"...1 5/8 oz of BB out of no looser than light modified ought to do the trick. Especially on teal. Now if we are talking mallards, you might want to go up a shot size or two. :D

Back in the good ole days, these kind of shots often got a plain jane ounce of 7.5s from a low brass shell. Maybe followed by a field load of 6s for the last shot. I am sure that in the internet age, if we could still shoot lead, someone would come out with an extensive spread sheet of pellets that would kill ducks and those that would not. I would bet that lead #6 would be one of those pellets not recomended for big ducks at all.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:37 pm 
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lossking wrote:
Lakenut wrote:
Some of you all are smoking crack if you think you NEED 2s for ducks under 25 yards.....cyl or ic and #4s will kill every duck or goose that drops into your dekes at less than 25 yards.


+1 on that. I'd pass on the cylinder choke, though, and go with skeet or I/C.


Make that a +2. I would use a 3" shell with 1 1/8 oz of #4 at 1,550fps.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:22 am 
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half the birds in my avatar were killed with 7/8oz. #4 2 3/4" federal Premiums , and half with 1oz.#2,3" Winchester Dry-Locs.
I think the Federals worked better, but it was hard to tell.
The birds were mostly inside 30 yards, but one was taken going away past 35 with the #4's - one shot.
There are some ducks mixed in with the geese as well.
Chokes were CYL/IC IIRC.
Oh, the gun is a 20 gauge, so a 12 should have no problem!
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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:09 pm 
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Going with Win Xpert #4 with an IC on Saturday. I'll have the answer by 7:00. I'll post the results.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:49 pm 
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1 1/4oz #4 shot is your load. #2 if you are shooting strictly mallards. #1 if you plan to shoot geese also. IC choke

Was told we were goose hunting yesterday but ended up shooting mallards at 15-20 yards over the decoys. I shot 1 3/8oz 3" mag BBB and aimed for beaks. I think I did alright.

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:57 am 
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Nice shootin Tex!

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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:13 am 
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[quote="BBK"]1 1/4oz #4 shot is your load. #2 if you are shooting strictly mallards. #1 if you plan to shoot geese also. IC choke

Was told we were goose hunting yesterday but ended up shooting mallards at 15-20 yards over the decoys. I shot 1 3/8oz 3" mag BBB and aimed for beaks. I think I did alright.

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Ya gotta love cool weather duck hunting! :D
You fellas have a bit of snow down there as well , i see.
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 Post subject: Re: 15 to 25 yard shots choke & shot size
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:00 am 
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I have had very good success with #6 steel inside 35 yards for teal and woodducks, and an occasional bigger duck. My favorite load is 1.25 oz in 2 3/4 inch shell usually Kent Fast steel.out of and imp.cyl choke. I have also had good success with 1oz Winchester expert game and target steel#6s. i use the 1oz shells for my first shot and to finish cripples if necessary. the 1oz shells are $6.29/box and the kents are $11-12/box.

My favorite late season load for big ducks--mallards etc is the 1550 FPS 3in kent fasteel 1 1/8 oz #2 shot. out of a modified choke. if you do your part this load choke combo will reach out and touch a duck out to 40-45 yds!!

on extremely windy days Steel BBs will do the job with less wind distortion than the 2s.

good luck and good hunting!

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