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 Post subject: Savage Fox 16 Gauge BSE-c
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:58 pm 
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My grandfather left me a 16 gauge and I'm having a little trouble even finding any information on it. According to the left barrel its a Fox Model B made by Savage Arms Corporation, Westfield Mass. USA. It does have a serial number and I noticed another number and letter in a small circle to the right of the rest of the information that says 27T. On the right side of the gun it says FOX BSE-c. It's a single trigger, has extractors, and shoots 2 3/4 inch shells. On the underside of the gun it has a fox engraved. My blue book of gun values does not list a Fox 16 Gauge BSE and when I looked on the internet I only found one that had sold for $750. After looking at their pictures it looks like the same gun and description. Can anyone tell me if this is an accurate price and also why I can't find any information on a 16 gauge BSE? I'm not looking to sell the gun but I'd like to know its value. Thank you all for any help you may have!

P.S. - I'm new on here and still learning my way around.




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 Post subject: Re: Savage Fox 16 Gauge BSE-c
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:12 pm 
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AFAIK, your BSE was made in 1966.

FWIW, a funshop/gunsmith near me has had a 98%+ condition 16ga Fox BSE that I examined, w/28"bbls (mirror bores) & beautiful/bright case colors on the receiver, F/S for 2 years @ $400 OTD bottom price, with no takers.

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 Post subject: Re: Savage Fox 16 Gauge BSE-c
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:57 pm 
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A couple of things here don't seem right. A Fox Model BSE would have ejectors, not extractors. Also, I don't believe Savage began putting serial numbers on them until the Gun Control Act of 1968 required it.

Fox Model B – The Fox Model B was added to the 1940 Fox catalogue put out by Savage. The retail price was $25. The Model B was offered in 12-, 16-, and 20-gauges and .410-bore, and had a color case-hardened frame. By January 22, 1945, the retail price of the Model B was up to $34.50. After WW-II the Springfield 311 (1947) and then the Stevens 311 (1948 and on) were built on a version of the Model B action. The pre-WW-II Springfield No. 311, as well as the Riverside and Springfield No. 315, the Stevens No. 330, and numerous “trade brand” guns were all built on Steven’s G.S. Lewis’ Apr 20, 1915, patented action.

Through the 1954 catalogue the Model B remained a double trigger, plain extractor, slim forearm utility gun. In the 1955 catalogue Savage added a Model BST which got a non-selective single trigger and a beavertail forearm. The offerings were the same for 1956 thru 1958.

By the 1960 catalogue the B and the BST got ventilated ribs. There were no changes in the 1961 catalogue.

For 1962 a B De Luxe in 12-gauge was added with a satin chrome receiver, white-line grip cap and butt plate, checkered side panels, beavertail, ventilated rib, and gold plated non-selective single trigger. They also gold plated the trigger on the BST. There were no changes for 1963.

For 1964 the De Luxe became the BDE, and included automatic ejectors, and also was available in 20-gauge chambered for 3-inch shells. The B and BST remained unchanged.

For 1965 the B and BST 20-gauges got 3-inch chambers.

For 1966 the satin chrome BDE was gone. There was a BSE with ejectors, non-selective single trigger, satin black finish, white-line butt plate and grip cap, beavertail and ventilated rib. The Model B had double triggers, was case hardened, had a ventilated rib, and now a beavertail. Both guns now featured impressed stamped checkering. For 1967, 8, 9 and 1970 the offerings were the same. The gun control act of 1968 required Savage to start putting serial numbers on these guns.

By 1971 there was a gun called the Savage 550 which was just like the BSE but had a case hardened receiver, and was offered in 12- and 20-gauges. The text said it had precisely engineered barrels resulting in perfect balance. In the picture it appears to be a mono-bloc design?!? Also grip caps are gone from the B and BSE. Offerings for 1972 were the same – the 550 listed at $174.95, the B-SE listed at $164.95, and the B listed at $139.95.

By 1973, the BSE and 16-gauges are gone, but there is a 24-inch barrel B in 12-gauge and 20-gauge, both with 3-inch chambers.

For 1974 the Savage 550 is gone and the B-SE is back. The B-SE 12-gauge has 2 ¾ inch chambers and the 12-gauge B and 24” Fox B have 3-inch chambers. All the 20-gauge and .410-bore are 3-inch chambered. No changes for 1975, 6, 7, or 8. For 1979 the grip caps are back and the double triggered B is offered with ejectors as the BE.

For 1980, cut checkering is back, but the 24-inch barrel offerings are gone – B, BE and B-SE. In 1981 the BE was gone, but the FA-1 and the FP-1 Fox autoloader and pump appeared. For 1982 the Fox offerings were B, B-SE, FA-1 and FP-1.

For 1983 the only Fox offering was the B-SE. The B-SE remained through the 1987 catalogue when its list price was $525. By the 1988 catalogue the Fox name was gone.


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 Post subject: Re: Savage Fox 16 Gauge BSE-c
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:15 pm 
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Excuse me, I used the wrong term. You're right I believe, it would be ejectors. Sorry I'm not an expert and have never claimed to be :) That's one of the reasons I'm on here asking for help. Thanks for the input!


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 Post subject: Re: Savage Fox 16 Gauge BSE-c
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:05 am 
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Great info Researcher - You helped me ID my BSE-H with cut checkering. I thought it was anolder gun as I didn't realize they went to impressed and then back to cut checkering. The only strange thing now is it's clearly marked 2 3/4" but chambers measure 3" with my Galazan guage. Thanks, Ed.




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