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 Post subject: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:19 pm 
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Does anyone know if a 12ga shotgun firing subsonic clay shooting cartridges is louder than a .410 firing regular cartridges? I shoot in a rather noise sensitive area and would like to know if I can solve the problem by buying subsonic ammunition for my 12 gauge or if a .410 would be even quieter, even with supersonic ammunition




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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:55 am 
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make 12gauge subs.
i think they would be as loud as each other. but shooting subs will reduce the noise.
if you are going to shoot game, then load up som subsonic #4.

they are sold here as low noise cartridges. and low recoil.

as you are down 1/5th of the speed, shooting game with #4 is advisable.


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:07 am 
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I've shot low noise low recoil 12 guage factory loaded shells. The velocity was not on the box but I doubt they were "subsonic". Also, the only shot size I saw available in the stores in these reduced loads was #8.

Bottom line is that they did kick a bit less but the reduction in noise level did not seem to be that much.


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:13 am 
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Hastings used to sell a "suppressor" for shotguns - it was a 36" barrel extension that screwed into the the choke tube thread. A writer brought one out to the club that worked with Beretta Mobil chokes - in his 390, a standard 12 gauge was still audible, but hearing protection didn't do much as the sound was fairly low. Its original purpose was for scaring ducks and geese in urban parks, etc. Not sure if they still make it.

Here's what it looks like:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =198450976

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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:16 pm 
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The new TV show "Sons Of Guns" featuring "Red Jacket Firearms" (a dealer/gunsmith) on Discovery Channel demonstrated a supressed 12 guage shotgun they just developed. It cost $2500 and the noise level was 144 decibels supressed.


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:18 pm 
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The barrel extension, IIRC, is/was about 100-150

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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:09 pm 
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Shooting subsonic ammo without a moderator/silencer over the barrel is largely pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:47 pm 
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B-P shells have a sponsored forum on SGW - scroll down and take a look at their shells. I shoot their subsonics low-recoil - low noise shells when I'm just out bustin' clays for the fun of it.

They definitely are less loud than regulars. Softer too.

They apparently are used in Europe to keep range noise down.

May I suggest you consider giving them a try?

In general, BP shells are very nice shells and they are going to introduce non-tox loads soon. Their shells are loaded to European specs so the pressures are lower than SAAMI. I kill a lot of pheasant with their 2 1/2 inch shell.

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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:00 am 
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trdr7 wrote:
The new TV show "Sons Of Guns" featuring "Red Jacket Firearms" (a dealer/gunsmith) on Discovery Channel demonstrated a supressed 12 guage shotgun they just developed. It cost $2500 and the noise level was 144 decibels supressed.


we have complete access to suppressors / moderated shotguns here in the uk. no special licence or tax. the audiable noise from them is way less than 144 db. it sounded like a very loud fart. i`ve used one myself !

the cartridges are readily available, usually marketed as low recoil,low noise, "trainer" cartridges.

-keep shooting !


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:21 am 
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There isn't a whole heap of difference between a "normal" .410 load and a subsonic 12; certainly not the sort of step change that you would need in a noise sensitive area.

As has been said the subsonics only make a real improvement when used in conjunction with some form of moderator / suppressor.

A demo of subsonics and normal 12 bore shells is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB__xEwuM50

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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:56 pm 
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cookoff013 wrote:
the audiable noise from them is way less than 144 db. it sounded like a very loud fart. i`ve used one myself !


I think we have all used a very loud fart before! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Subsonic Ammunition
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:10 pm 
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I have tried some B&P "Sub Sound" 24 gram shells - I didn't notice much difference from the regular ones. Everyone seems to agree that a .410 will not be quieter, so I'll stick to my 12ga. Mainly, I shoot turtle doves, quail and other small birds so I don't much like the idea of a huge suppressor fitted to my barrel...




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