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 Post subject: Old Crescent Davis Shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:20 am 
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Recently I had to get our local electrical coop to come out and replace the electric line that runs from our transformer to our house. Squirrels had eaten up all but two strands of the aluminum wire that the main electric line wraps around. In addition the actual electrical wire was chewed up in several places. I decided to undertake a plan to get rid of squirrels in our yard. I began by getting some small animal traps. I decided to expand this and use an old shotgun I own. Forty four years ago I inherited my fathers Crescent Davis Arms Corporation, double barreled sixteen gauge shotgun, serial number X86104. Getting the old gun out got me interested in learning more about it. I began to try and trace the history of this gun. I know that it was made sometime around 1930. It has forged steel barrels. I have on order sixteen gauge shotgun shells made by RST (WWW.RSTSHELLS.COM) that produce only 4800 PSI of pressure. Modern shotgun shells in sixteen gauge produce between 11,000 and 12,000 PSI of internal pressure. What I am interested in is finding out if anyone out there may also own an old Crescent Davis shotgun, and has other information, or sources of information on this particular shotgun. I have researched and read all I can find on the internet. There is lots of general information available, but it is difficult to find specific information. I am hoping to find some shotgun people who might know more.




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 Post subject: Re: Old Crescent Davis Shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:34 am 
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Source: 2002 Standard Catalog of FIREARMS. The collector’s price & reference guide.

CRESCENT F.A. COMPANY
Norwich, Connecticut

Text by Nick Niles

The company made a good quality inexpensive single and double barrel shotguns at its Norwich works, beginning about 1892. It was bought by H&D Folsom of New York City, large importers and distributors of firearms and sporting goods, so they could add an American-made sidelock hammer, side by side to their extensive range of imported guns. The Crescent guns were offered in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauges and later, 44XL shot caliber with Damascus twist laminated or Armory steel barrels depending on the shooter’s wants. In 1898 VL&D said these were the best American hammer guns in the market for the money.

Huge quantities of these “Hardware Guns” we were produced in a profusion of private brands as well as in Folsom’s house brand “American Gun Co. Of NY”. In 1922 the Crescent brand replaced the “American Gun Co. Of NY” and can be found on many thousands of doubles. In 1905 Crescent’s first hammerless sidelock was introduced as the American Gun Co. “Knickerbocker” Model No. 6. This very popular model became the Crescent “Peerless” No. 6 in 1922. In 1928 it became the Crescent “Empire” No. 60 and in 1931 in the Crescent-Davis “New Empire” No. 88, “New Empire” No. 9, and “Empire” No. 9.

Crescent was bought by J. Stevens Arms Co., Division of Savage Arms Corp. About 1930. It was merged with Davis-Warner Arms Corp. Successors to N.R. Davis & Sons Co. And became Crescent-Davis Arms Corp. In 1932 the operation was moved to the Stevens plant at Springfield, Mass. Where some sidelock doubles were assembled, Crescent-Davis brand guns remained in Steven’s full line catalog until 1941 but from 1937 to 1941 the doubles sold in the C-D brand were on either Stevens or Davis boxlock frames.

Source: 1999 Standard Catalog of FIREARMS. The collector’s price & reference guide.

CRESCENT F.A. COMPANY
Norwich, Connecticut

This company manufactured good quality, inexpensive side-by-side and single barrel shotguns and was founded in 1893. They were bought by the H & D Folsom Arms Company of New York, importers and distributors of firearms and sporting goods.

After the purchase of Crescent, the Folsom Company was able to offer a complete range of shotguns, imported English, French, Belgium, and American made Crescents. By the turn of the century Crescent Arms produced huge quantities of “Hardware Guns’. It produced guns under direct contract to distributors, mail order houses and hardware distributors with any brand name the customer requested. Crescent also produced guns for its parent company, as Folsom house brands that were sold to customers that did not want their own brand name.

Source: 24th Edition BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES - 2003

Crescent Fire Arms Co. and Crescent-Davis Arms Co.

In 1888, George W. Cilley bought out the defunct Bacon Arms Co. of Norwich, CT. He then formed an alliance w/Frank Foster, and borrowed enough money to form the Crescent Fire Arms Comnpany. Cilley and Foster each held several firearms patents, and both were highly qualified in firearms design and manufacture. Production began with single shot tip-up shotguns that had an external side hammer. Double barrel shotgun production was started in 1891. In 1893, they began making bicycle chains, and that same year, H & D Folsom took over the company’s financial control. Early in the 1890s, Crescent built a rifle that resembled the Remington No. 4. A very rare Crescent was the .410 bore shotgun pistol, which was introduced in the 1920s. In 1929, N.R. Davis Firearms Co., then owned by Warner Arms Corp., merged with Crescent to become Crescent-Davis Arms Co. Because of financial crisis, business continued to decline, and they were forced to sell out. Savage Arms Co. acquired Davis-Crescent to become Crescent-Davis Arms Co. Because of financial crisis, business continued to decline, and they were forced to sell out. Savage Arms Co. acquired Davis-Crescent in 1931, assembled guns from the remaining parts, and these guns were sold under the Crescent name only. In 1932, the city of Norwich, CT, took over the Crescent property for non-payment of back taxes. After the Norwich facility was closed, manufacture was moved to Chicopee Falls.

It is unknown whether or not Crescent did any high grade or custom work. However, a very well engraved SxS , with the Crescent logo, is known to exist in a private collection.

Crescent Firearms Company remains best known as a manufacturer of “house brand” shotguns (i.e., Crescent private labeled guns for retailers, distributors, mail-order houses, etc.). Over 100 different trademarks have been observed to date, manufactured by Crescent - almost all the remainikng speciments today are priced as shooters, and have no collector value.

By the late 1890s Crescent was producing basically five grades of double-barrel shotguns offering a model for most tastes. #2641 was a double bolt, top lever action, barlock with armory steel barrels and low circular hammers. This model came in 12 gauge only with either 30 or 32 inch Belgian made Damascus barrels; the rest being American made. #2650 this model is the same as 2641 but it has Damascus Belgian made barrels and was better finished. #2660 was also the same as 2641 however, it was fitted with American made Damascus barrels #2655 was of the same basic design and was fitted with twist barrels with a Deeley & Edge snap forend. It has engraving on the trigger guard and locks and is somewhat better finished. #2665 has much more and better quality engraving, but was essentially the same as #2655. In 1904 Crescent added hammerless models with fluid steel barrels but they still offered the same line with a choice of hammers or not. Basically Crescent was able to mix and match barrel steels, engraving, checkering, wood and finish to provide a model for most tastes and still use the same basic design by changing the components. Various models could be ordered in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauge, and .410.
The Crescent/Folsom Arms Company continued this type of business until 1930 when it merged with Davis-Wagner Arms Corp. And became the Crescent-=Davis Arms Corp. In 1932 its assets and machinery were bought by Steven Arms Company, a victim of changing tastes and the Depression.
BRAND NAMES USED BY CRESCENT ARMS
1. American Bar Lock Wonder made for Sears, Roebuck & Co.
2. American Boy made for Townley Metal & Hardware Co.
3. American Gun Co. (H & D Folsom house brand)
4. American Gun Company of New York
5. American Nitro
6. Armory Gun Co.
7. Baker Gun Co. (If no foreign proof marks)
8. T. Barker New York-if a sidelock hammerless double without proofs.
9. Baltimore Gun Co.
10. Berkshire No. 30000 made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
11. Black Beauty-hammerless doubles
12. Bluefield Clipper
13. Bluegrass Arms Co. Made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville KY
14. Blue Whistler
15. Bridge Gun Works
16. Bridgeport Arms Co. (If no foreign proof marks)
17. Bright Arms Co.
18. Canadian Belle
19. Carolina Arms Co. Made for Smith Wadsworth Hardware Co. Of Charlotte, NC
20. Caroline Arms
21. Central Arm Co. Made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
22. Chatham Arms Co.
23. Cherokee Arms Co. Made for C.M. McClung Co. Of Knoxville, TN
24. Chesapeake Gun Co.
25. Chicago Long Range Wonder 1908-1918 made for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL
26. Colonial
27. Columbian New York Arms Co.
28. Compeer made for Van Camp Hardware & Iron Co. Of Indianapolis, IN
29. Connecticut Arms Co.
30. Cumberland Arms Co.
31. Crescent Fire Arms Co.
32. Creve Cour (if no foreign proof marks) made for Isaac Walker Hardware Co. Of Peoria, IL
33. Daniel Boone Gun Col. Made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville, KY
34. Delphian Arms Co. (Some models without foreign proof marks) made for Supplee-Biddle Hardware Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
35. Delphian |Manufacturing Co. (Some models)
36. Diamond Arms Co. (Some models) made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
37. Dunlap Special made for Dunlap Hardware Co. Of Macon, GA
38. E.C. Mac made for E.C. Meacham Arms Co. Of St. Louis, MO
39. Elgin Arms Co. Made for Strauss & Schram and Fred Biffar & Co. Both of Chicago, IL
40. Elmira Arms Co.
41. Empire Arms Co. Made for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL
42. Empire State Arms Co.
43. Enders Oakleaf made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
44. Enders Special Service made for Shapleigh Hardware Co.
45. Enders Royal Service made for Shapleigh Hardware Co.
46. Essex made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville, KY
47. Excel made for Montgomery Ward & Co. Of Chicago, IL
48. Farwell Arms Co. Made for Farwell, Ozmun & Kirk of St Paul, MN
49. Faultless made for John M. Smythe Co. Of Chicago, IL
50. Faultless Goose Gun made for John M. Smyth Co. Of Chicago, IL
51. The Field after 1894
52. Folsom Arms Co. (Also used by H & D Folsom on Belgian imports)
53. F.F. Forbes (H & D Folsom house brand)
54. Fort Pitt Arms Co.
55. Fremont Arms Co. (Also used on Belgian imports)
56. Fold Medal Wonder
57. Greenfield (some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
58. H.B.C. (Some models) made for Hudson’s Bay Co. Of Canada
59. H.S.B. & Co. (Some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer
60. Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
61. Hanover Arms Co. (If no foreign proof marks)
62. S.H. Harrington (if no foreign proof marks)
63. Hartford Arms Co. Made for both Simmons Hardware and Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
64. Harvard (H & D Folsom house brand)
65. Hermitage (some models) made for Grey-Dusley Hardware Co. Of Nashville, TN
66. Hip Spe Bar (some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
67. Hibbard (some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL

68. Howard Arms Co. Made for Fred Biffar & Co. Of Chicago, IL
69. Hudson (some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
70. Hunter made for Belknap Hardware Co. Louisville, KY
71. Interstate Arms Co. Made for Townley Metal & Hardware Co. of Kansas City, MO
72. Jackson Arms Co. Made for C.M. McClung & Co. Of Knoxville, TN
73. Joseph Arms Co. Norwich, Conn.
74. K K and Keen Kufter (some models) made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
75. Kingsland Special and Kingsland 10 Star made for Geller, Ward & hasner of St. Louis, MO
76. Kirk Gun Co. Made for Farwell, Ozmun & Kirk of St. Paul, MN
77. Knickerbocker (up to 1915, H & D Folsom house brand)
78. Knockabout (before 1925) made for Montgomery Ward & Co. Of Chicago, IL
79. Knoxall (only hammerless doubles)
80. Laclede Gun Co.
81. Lakeside made for Montgomery Ward & Co. Of Chicago, IL
82. Leader Gun Co. Made for Charles Williams Stores of New York, NY
83. Lee’s Special and Lee’s Munner Special made for Lee Hardware Co. Of Salina, KS
84. Long Range Marvel, Long Range Winner, and Long Range Wonder made between 1893 to 1909 for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL F.A. Loomis
85. Marshwood
86. Massachusetts Arms Co. Made before 1920 for Blish, Mizet and Silliman Hardware Co. Of Atchison, KS
87. Mears (if no foreign proof marks)
88. Metropolitan made for Siegal-Cooper Co. Of New York, NY
89. Minnesota Arms Co. Made for Farwell, Ozmun, Kirk & Co. Of St. Paul, MN
90. Mississippi Arms Co. St. Louis (some models) made for Shepleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
91. Mississippi Valley Arms Co. (Some models) made for Shaopleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
92. Mohawk made for Glish, Mizet and Lilliman Hardware Co. Of Atchinson, KIS
93. Monitor
94. R. Murdock, National Firearms Co. (Some models)
95. National Arms Co. Hammer doubles ( w/o foreign proof marks) and hammerless doubles made for May Hardware Co. Of Washington, D.C. and Moskowitz and Herback Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
96. New Britain Arms Co.’s Monarch
97. New Elgin Arms Co.
98. New Empire
99. New England (some models after 1914) made for Sears, Roebuck & Co.
100. New England Arms Co. (Some models)
101. Newport Model CN made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett and Co. Of Chicago
102. Newport Model WN (swome models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett and Co. Of Chicago
103. New Rival made for Van Camp Hardware and Iron Co. Of Indianapolis, IN
104. New York Arms Co. Made for Garnet Carter Co. Of Chattanooga, TN
105. New York Machine Made (some models)
106. New York Match Gun (some models)

107. New York Nitro Hammerless
108. Nitro Bird made for Conover Hardware Co. Of Kansas City, MO
109. Nitro Hunter made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville, KY
110. Nitro King 1908 to 1917 made for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL
111. Norwich Arms Co.
112. Not-Noc Manufacturing Co. Made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville, KY and Canton Hardware Co. of Canton, OH
113. Osprey made for Lou J. Eppinger, Detroit, MI
114. Oxford made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louis ville, KY
115. Peerless (H & D Folsom house brand)
116. Perfection made for H. G. Lipscomb & Co. Of Nashville, TN
117. Piedmont made for Piedmont Hardware Co. Of Danville, PA
118. Piedmont Arms Co.
119. Pioneer Arms (if no foreign proof marks) made for Kruse and Bakimann Hardware Co. Of Cincinnati, OH
120. Quail (H & D Folsom house brand)
121. Queen City made for Elmira Arms Co. Of Elmira, NY
122. Red Chieftan (model 60) made for Supplee Biddle Hardware Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
123. Rev-O-Noc (some models) made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
124. Rich-Con made for Richardson & Conover Hardware Co.
125. Charles Richter (some models) made for New York Sporting Goods Co. Of New Yoirk, NY
126. Rickard Arms Co. Made for J.A. Rickard Co. Of Schenectady, NY
127. Rival (some models) made for Van Camp Hardware and Iron Co. Of Indianapolis, IN
128. Rocket Special
129. Royal Service made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
130. Rummel Arms Co. Made for A.J. Rummel Arms Co. Of Toledo, OH
131. Ruso (if no foreign proof marks)
132. St. Louis Arms Co. (Sidelock hammerless doubles) m,ade for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
133. Seminole (hammerless) unknown
134. Shue’s Special made for Ira M. Shue of Hanover, PA
135. Smithsonian (some models)
136. John M. Smythe & Co. Made for John M. Smythe Hardware Co. Of Chicago, IL
137. Southern Arms Co. (Some models)
138. Special Service made for Shapleigh Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
139. Spencer Gun Co. Made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
140. Sportsman (somemodels) made for W. Bingham & Co. Of Cleveland, OH
141. Springfield Arms Co. Used until 1930 (H & D Folsom house brand). This brand was also used by Stevens and James Warner guns.
142. Square Deal made for Stratton, Warren Hardware Co. Of Memphis, TN
143. Star Leader (some models)
144. State Arms Co. Made for J.H. Lau & Co. Of New York, NY
145. Sterling Arms Co.
146. Sullivan Arms Co. Made for Sullivan Hardware Co. Of Anderson, SC
147. Superior (some models) made for Paxton & Gallagher Co. Of Omaha, NE

148. Syco (some models) made for Wyeth Hardware Co. Of St. Joseph, MO
149. Ten Star & Tgen Star Heavy Duty (if no foreign proof marks) made for Geller, Ward & Hasner Co. Of St. Louis, MO
150. Tiger (if no foreign proof marks) made for J.H. Hall & Co. of Nashville, TN
151. Townley’s Pal and Townley’s American Boy made for Townley
152. Metal & Hardware Co. Of Kansas city, MO
153. Trap’s Best made for Watkins, Cottrell Co. of Richmond, VA
154. Triumph (some models) made for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL
155. Tryon Special (some models) made for Edward K. Tryon Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
156. U.S. Arms Co. (If no foreign proof marks) made for Supplee-Biddle Hardware Co. of Philadelphia, PA
157. U.S. Field
158. Utica Firearms Co. (Some models) made for Simmons Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, MO
159. Victor & Victor Special made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co. Of Chicago, IL
160. Virginia Arms Co. Made for Virginia-Carolina Co. Of Richmond, VA
161. Volunteer (some models) made for Belknap Hardware Co. Of Louisville, KY
162. Vulcan Arms Co. Made for Edward K. Tryon Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
163. Warren Arms Co. (If no foreign proof marks)
164. Washington Arms Co. (Some models)
165. Wauregan (some models)
166. Wautauga (some models) made for Wallaced Hardware Co. Morristown, TN
167. Wildwood made for Sears, Roebuck & Co. Of Chicago, IL
168. Wilkinson Arms Co. (If no foreign proof marks) made for Richmond HardwareCo. Of Richmond, VA
169. Wilshire Arms Co. Made for Stauffer, Eshleman & Co. Of New Orleans, LA
170. Winfield Arms Co. (H & D Folsom house brand)
171. Winoca Arms Co. Made for Jacobi Hardware Co. Of Philadelphia, PA
172. Witte Hardware Co. (Some models) made for Witte Hardware Co. Of St. Louis, Mo
173. Wolverine Arms Co. Made for Fletcher Hardware Co. Of Wilmingrton, NC
174. Worthington Arms Co. Made for George Worthington Co. Of Cleveland, OH


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 Post subject: Re: Old Crescent Davis Shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:43 am 
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Not that you would get a better answer than that which Albanygun posted, but our Classics Forum is a great place to post questions about old doubles.

Also, here's a recent thread from another site:

http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthre ... Post215442

Scroll to Drew Hause's link to his website with lots of old advertisements.


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 Post subject: Re: Old Crescent Davis Shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:31 pm 
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As is our ID & Value Section. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=247144

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 Post subject: Re: Old Crescent Davis Shotgun
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:17 pm 
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Have a gunsmith check it to determine if it is safe to shoot. (it should be.) Have the chamber length on it checked - it MAY be 2 9/16". (The change-over of the "standard" to the 2 3/4" chamber was approx. in 1930 for the 16 ga.) If so, do NOT use 2 3/4" shells, but get the 2 1/2" shells to shoot.

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