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 Post subject: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:22 pm 
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I am buying some shells for the hulls and I see AAs and STS for within $.25 a box any which is better?



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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:55 pm 
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The STS hulls are far superior, as are the Gun Clubs when compared to the AA for hulls

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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:21 pm 
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I agree with Curly.


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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:34 pm 
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Curly is right again.
I used to like reloading AAs before they ruined them.
The gold, green, and black STS & Gunclubs will all use the same data, don't have the stupid step that catches wads, don't bulge/aren't soft, last longer....


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:31 am 
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Agree with Curly. The AA hull is not what it once was. I just wish Remington would honor their rebate prgram on the STS shells. I have waited 3 months and still nothing. I have heard from many shooters who are experiencing the same problem with their rebates. Ed


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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:04 am 
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One caveat.

I assume you're talking about 12 ga bullets. However, the AA 28 ga (and possible .410) hull is far superior to the STS. For some reason the STS mouths are over skived and very thin, offering less reloading attempts.


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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 am 
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I am talking about 20 gauge.


I have 4 boxes of AAs so I might just stick with them because they appear to be good and I dont have issues with load recipes, though I do have 500 gun clubs uhhhhh. :x

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:13 am 
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IME 20 Gauge AA and STS hulls have different internal dimensions and a reloader that's set up for one will not work with the other. And don't test this out over a hardwood or laminate floor. Trust me, just don't. :)

Personally, I have a few big boxes of higher-end once-fired hulls I've saved after buying new boxes of STS and some AA. I never have used them, because Sport Load/Gun Club hulls work great and produce perfectly good shells. They can be had for free, off the ground or from the hull buckets at just about any range. If you're going to spend extra money, spend it on good components, particularly shot.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:22 am 
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Yep Sir, Gun Cubs over AA , 12 or 20, any day, every way!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:04 pm 
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I will look into buying a flat of STS for reloading.


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Sure, if you care about what people think when they see your hulls, you can use the STSs. If you care about hitting targets, buy STS shot (if you can find it) and use Gun Club hulls for free. STS shot is GREAT stuff.

Remington hulls tend to be compatible with each other, so once you've burned through your STS hulls, you can use Gun Clubs and Sport Loads interchangeably, like the rest of us who have been through this before. :)

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 Post subject: Re: AA vs STS
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:36 pm 
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STS and GunClub over AA. I love my Gun Club reloads.

Where do you find STS shot and why is it better than Lawrence?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:07 am 
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Haven't found STS shot in a while. Not sure how it compares to Lawrence, specifically, but I know how it performs. It's very hard, bounces high off a floor, and keeps rolling almost indefinitely, too, i.e. it's amazingly spherical.

My point is that I think STS components are great -- but the hulls are the least significant. STS shot in a Gun Club hull will pattern like an STS shell. Lesser-quality shot in an STS hull will pattern like a cheap shell.

And all of that said, I've quit reloading all that much. Too much to do. Vigilant checking of Cabela's flyers, etc., as well as going in on pallets with others, net great shells for $50/flat or so. Sometimes it's a bit more, but not that much. It was worth it for me to reload when I got STS shot for $19/bag. Now, not so much.

I'll start reloading in earnest again when I get a 28 Gauge clays gun. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:38 am 
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Here is a link to a lead hardness comparison.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=251660

Unfortunately, not all sources are represented.
7.5 shot / Hardness

Lawrence Magnum =100

Eagle Magnum =97

Federal Premium Flyer= 95

B&amp;P F2 Mach = 92

Remington Nitro 27's =91 Possibly the same as STS

Federal Gold Medal Paper =91

West Coast Magnum = 91

Lawrence Magnum Copper =87

Winchester SuperSport =84 Possibly the same as AA

Federal Premium Field Copper =77 Not so hard after all!

Fiocchi Nickel Little Rhino =74

Remington Nitro Express =73

Winchester Black Diamond Nickel =70

Gamebore White Gold Nickel =68

Remington Game Load 16ga =68

Fiocchi (Italy) HV Field =68

Read more: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=251660&start=0#ixzz1TE5TTCRW

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:26 pm 
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My favorite for 20 gauge is Remington Nitro. I can load Remington or AA with the only change being the powder load. With AA, Windjammer wads its less Universal Powder than with Remington, and Windjammer wads. Both look great and shoot great but I just like Remington Hulls. I'm loading a couple of hunnerd right now. lol

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:32 pm 
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I know this will sound stupid but what difference does the hardness make when shooting clays. Seems to me that it might even be better to be softer.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:39 am 
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I am a new guy when it comes this but harder shot patterns better ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:08 pm 
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I would agree that for 16 yard shooting the chilled shot ( soft shot ) would be as effective as the magnum ( hard shot ) However the chilled shot price is not that much different than the magnum shot and many suppliers only stock the magnum shot. Ed


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The cheapest shot I've bought this year was Magnum shot on sale from Gamaliel with a shipping deal also.

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I use the gun clubs in 20 ga and they are the best deal going.



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