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 Post subject: western arms, ithica ny shotgun value?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:56 am 
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I have a western arms corp. ithica ny shotgun. I am not sure of the year. It is a long range side by side double barrell, double trigger. It has a pointing dog in grass on both sides, not worn, very good condition, stock in excellent condition. markings under barrells right side (looking down barrell), are on flat bottom, 33165 then PAT'D, and left side on bottom of the barrell are the same #'s 33165. When my husband was alive, he said it was worth around $1500 because there is was something different about it but I don't know what that is. Is he right in its value, and can you tell my why. I dont know what gage it is I couldnt find that marked anywhere. thank you for any information you could give me on it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:25 am 
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I'm sorry for your loss, but FWIW I've never personally seen any Western Long Range double, made by the Ithaca Gun Co as an economy/intro level shotgun with a cast ILO forged receiver, for more than about 25% of that kind of money - depending upon the remaining % of original factory finish on the wood & metal parts, and the gauge (a 20ga being worth more than a 12ga, for instance).

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:31 am 
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Agreed... worth a couple hundred buck at very best, and that would require exceptional condition.

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It's hard to tell without pictures. A nice one, depending on gauge, could go for $400 in this depressed market. Your's was made in 1935.

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 Post subject: Re: western arms, ithica ny shotgun value?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:07 pm 
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Western Arms Co was a division of Ithaca mfg,1929-1946.Blue Book Value in 98% condition,$225.00,add $50.00 if the gun has a single trigger.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:21 pm 
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Ahhh... The Blue Book is wrong again. The Lefever Arms Co., Inc. that made the Nitro Special double and Western Arms Corp. that made the Long Range Double began as seperate corporations that were owned by the same folks that owned Ithaca Gun Co., and the guns were built in the Ithaca factory. The early Nitro Specials were marked "Lefever Arms Co., Inc., Ithaca, N.Y." and the early Long Rance Doubles were marked "Western Arms Corp., Ithaca, N.Y." Around 1933, they lumped the brands together and the later Lefevers were marked "Lefever Arms Branch, Ithaca Gun Co., Inc." and the Long Range Doubles were marked "Western Arms Branch Ithaca Gun Co., Inc." The Western Arms Long Range Double had a frame made of malleable iron.


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 Post subject: Re: western arms, ithica ny shotgun value?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:41 am 
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It's still a Western arms,not valued at $1500.00,I'm afraid.Yes there is info in the bbv,that can be considered wrong or not listed,the book is better than it was years ago,anyway.Some gun prices
in the book are not realistic in the real world,but you have to go by something,to put you in the ball park?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:25 am 
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creeker wrote:
Western Arms Co was a division of Ithaca mfg,1929-1946.Blue Book Value in 98% condition,$225.00,add $50.00 if the gun has a single trigger.


In 98% condition for $225; I'd have the gun in a New York minute.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:24 am 
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A really high condition (maybe 95-96%) 12-gauge Western Arms Long Range Double, with the single non-selective trigger, was in a local pawn shop very briefly this spring for $400. I just didn't have safe space for it.


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I have a Western Arms side by side. It has two triggers. One barrel is mod and one is full. The serial number on the gun is 4607. Any idea when the gun was made. It must be pretty early. I figure around 1929 or 30.


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I have a Western Arms side by side. It has two triggers. One barrel is mod and one is full. The serial number on the gun is 4607. Any idea when the gun was made. It must be pretty early. I figure around 1929 or 30.


1930 but are you sure you didn't miss a number?


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According to Snyder's book on Ithaca, Western Arms was the low end gun made by Ithaca. The receiver was made of "malable iron" not high quality steel. Garden variety Ithaca doubles don't bring a whole lot, LeFever Nitro Specials bring even less and you see where this is going. The gun probably isn't worth more than a couple of hundred.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:52 pm 
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Unless it's a 20ga..............

FWIW, most buyers are innocents, who would look no further than "20ga SxS made by Ithaca".

I would suggest the OP take it to a gunsmith, to determine the gauge & serviceability.

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For a period of time during their manufacture the Western Arms Long Range Double was offered with the option of ejectors and also a single non-selective trigger. They were also offered with the option of a recoil pad and twin ivory sights. I can picture a really minty Western Arms Long Range Double, in 20-gauge, with all the options, being a $1500 item in the collector market. If it was a .410-bore, even more. From 1931 --

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Scroll down to the next to last picture; click on it and it will enlarge. On the receiver flat you will see "20" which means 20 gauge. Look for the marking in the same spot on your gun for the gauge.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/WESTER ... =100137180

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