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 Post subject: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:08 am 
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Ignoring all semi-autos for now, what are some brands and models of shotguns that are known to have low recoil? To keep things simple, let's stick with 12 gauge guns intended as to be used as trap guns.

I have a 1967 Winchester 101, and 101's from that period are known to kick like mules. So I'd put that at one end of the spectrum. At the other end would be the Ljutic Space Gun. I knew a gunsmith who had shot one a few times from 16 yards, and he said the recoil was like a .410 shotgun.


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:14 am 
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Simple physics; if you want less recoil,
- shoot lighter loads
- shoot slower loads
- shoot a heavier gun

Felt recoil is another matter. The best ways to reduce it:
- make the gun fit you
- use a proper shooting technique

The brand and model of the gun is irrelevant.


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:05 am 
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I agree with viper.There is no better way than to use a lighter load,gun fit and heavy gun to reduce recoil.
If you are recoil conscious, then nothing will help.I really can't tell the difference in any load, be it 7/8oz. 1oz. or 11/8oz.I don't even know my gun is going off when I pull the trigger.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am 
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Browning recoiless shotgun.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:21 am 
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EyeMissum has it right. This has the lowest felt recoil of any 12ga shotgun on the planet:
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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:34 am 
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I shoot a 101 and it doesn't kick.


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:47 pm 
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Never heard of that Browning...looks cool!

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:39 am 
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That is the Browning Recoilless and it doesn't just look cool, it is cool. Browning claimed a 70% reduction in felt recoil and they got it right. Shooting 1 1/8oz loads @ 1250FPS feels like shooting a .22 rifle.

To say that there is no recoil is a misnomer. Every gun has some recoil to it. I've shot every kind of device out there. Gracoil, R.A.D., G Squared, semi-autos, special shaped pads, I even shot one with a pad that slides at an angle. None of them come close to the reduction realized from the Recoilless.

It had three downfalls. It looks weird, it's heavy and it only has one shot. The one shot thing is not really an issue. The looks are just modern. Most older shooters don't like that. The weight is something that can't be over come. It's not just that it's heavy, it's barrel heavy. This can be a good thing for a Trap shooter, but this one is just a little too barrel heavy in my mind.

Even so, the one in my safe is not going up for sale any time soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:49 pm 
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IMHO, Clear, consise and to the point.

Re the fancy single shot:

Cost? Arm? Leg? Just curious...

Energy transfer around moving parts will reduce recoil as does the gas and inertia systems, which is what it appears the fancy gun does... Looks interesting though.

Viper8 wrote:
Simple physics; if you want less recoil,
- shoot lighter loads
- shoot slower loads
- shoot a heavier gun

Felt recoil is another matter. The best ways to reduce it:
- make the gun fit you
- use a proper shooting technique

The brand and model of the gun is irrelevant.


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:56 pm 
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Zero.

But I am tempted to add the 870 Competition to the list, for your investigation and googleing pleasure :wink:

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/09/bourjaily-thoughts-remington-870-competition-trap

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:30 pm 
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The Recoilless is no longer being made. They can be found on the used market for around $600-$1K depending on condition.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:18 pm 
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The Browning Recoilless never sold in any numbers because they had to many problems . The trigger was junk and the forearm wood was known to break very easily plus no one would work on them .
Browning made three models of the Recoilless


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
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Three models? I didn't know that. Do you have any info on what the differences are?

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:24 pm 
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My trapshoot traveling partner when the Bgun recoilless came out, was a large gun dealer. With a gunshop, also did gun shows and large midwest trapshoots. He sold a lot Brownings at the time and ordered 2 or 3 recoilless for stock. He ended up selling them for 50% below his cost just to get them out of inventory. Browning quit maufacturing them at record pace, 2 or 3 years. The dealers were stuck with what most considered at the time to be junk. All but a few lost money on the model. They were effective at reducing recoil, but hard to disassemble, load and unload unfired. Had lots of problems machanically. Browning did take care of them at their usual slow response.

Now the Beretta company introduced the UGB model to find it less than popular among shooters, but more reliable than the Browning. Certain to be another short lived design based on low recoil, an odd break open design.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:31 pm 
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...hard to...load and unload unfired.
Really? It's a bolt action shotgun. You just open the bolt. How is that hard?

I won't disagree that the Recoilless was doomed right from the start. However, that is due more to looks than anything else. You have to give Browning some credit though, it did what it was intended to do; reduce felt recoil.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
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Rastoff I have one of the Signature Series Painted Red/Black .
I shot it alittle Yes it was hard to load and if your reloades were not sized well it was a pain in the butt .


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:48 pm 
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Rastoff wrote:
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...hard to...load and unload unfired.
Really? It's a bolt action shotgun. You just open the bolt. How is that hard?

I won't disagree that the Recoilless was doomed right from the start. However, that is due more to looks than anything else. You have to give Browning some credit though, it did what it was intended to do; reduce felt recoil.



Seemed to be much harder than a break open, pump or slamamatic. At least that was the common attitude among trapshooters. Cleaning was another complaint. I only knew one user/owner at the time. He was a southern Iowa shooter, crippled with some muscle decease, struggling to the line and while shooting. He was happy with the recoil, but very unhappy with the shotgun. As of today he has had to quit shooting and maybe pass on. Just never see or hear anything about him any longer. A good 'ol boy we remember for his courage not the Browning recoilless.

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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:57 pm 
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Have you tried something like the EVO shield? Combine that with some of the other things suggested and I bet you can come up with a combination that you can deal with. Started using an EVO shield due to a shoulder impingement almost ago and it has really helped me.

I have shot a Browning Recoiless, and it is indeed a remarkable sensation, almost startling. I would suggest you switch to Skeet and shoot a tubed O/U in 28 ga.- now that's shooting and enjoying it.

Best of luck in finding what you need.


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 Post subject: Re: Low recoil shotguns that AREN'T semi autos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:07 pm 
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Yes, my reloads do stick in the chamber sometimes. They do not stick in the chamber of any other gun I've ever used. They stick at a rate of maybe 1 per 25.

Nevertheless, this gun fits the OP to a T.

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