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 Post subject: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:05 am 
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This 20 gauge has peaked my interest in seeking a soft shooter for my wife or daugther that could be used for upland birds and as an informal clays gun.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =261443303

I have only shot one other Beretta 20 Ga. I believe it was a 391, very soft shooting gun compared to anything else I know. Would the A302 be similar? The rounded back of the reciever appeals to me as compared to the newer models other than that it looks like a decent gun overall.

It looks like the barrel is stamped IC, so no screw in chokes on this one, right?

Seller says they only made them for four years. Was there a problem with them?

What would you expect to see pricewise on one of these in this condition?

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:04 pm 
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No problem with the gun. They went to the A303, which was nearly identical but had, IIRC, slightly different controls for clearing the chamber. AFAIK the same barrels are drop-in compatible with the A301, 302 and 303. At some point, they went from an old screw-in choke system to the Mobil that's still around, today. A fixed IC barrel is probably preferable to the old system, since the chokes are hard to come by.

If you want a barrel for someone small and light, this is on sale: http://www.berettausa.com/products/bere ... c/?F_All=Y

Unfortunately, I don't know what a 20 is worth.

I do know that these are excellent guns, with a strong cult following, much like the SX1 has. I shoot with a guy who has one in 12, and has shot it for many, many years. Great gun.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:10 pm 
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I also have a A302 12 gauge and I love it. It is light, smooth shooting and very easy to disassemble and clean. Never had a problem with it. If you read through other areas of the forum, you'll see 99% positive responses on these models (301, 302, 303...) and quite a few feel these are Beretta's best semi- autos.
I also can't help you on the price for a 20 gauge. Good Luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:12 pm 
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I acquired a 201 20 ga last month and really like it. Light, clean, simple, and works flawlessly. Seamus on this site is very very knowledgeable about all Beretta Autos, and he choses to shoot 201s over later guns. My gun does not have a magnum barrel.
One issue with the gun you are looking at is that it is a 3" chamber and by all reports it is very unlikely to function with light 2 3/4 loads. One recent post indicated that with 3" chambers, 20 ga 201s are less inclined to digest light loads than 12 ga guns. I would think you will have issues with 7/8 oz loads, and maybe 1 oz loads.
You can solve this issue by a simple modification of drilling the gas ports to enlarge them, but the gun then becomes unsuitable for 3" loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:31 pm 
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They are very nice guns, but I don't think this one is the right one for you. As a previous poster said, you would have to get the barrel modified (not an expensive job) so it would cycle 2 3/4" shells. The price is already high for a 300-series gun without choke tubes, and it will go higher before the auction ends. There are better deals available if you are patient.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:20 pm 
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Appreciate the replies gentlemaen.

Wow that 302 shot up quite a lot since this morning and it just started yesterday evening.

Like BarryD said, quite a cult following.

Thanks for that other link on the 303 Seamus, I had looked at that one also but that glossy stock set is a huge turn off for me.

Is the 303 a big improvement on the 302 in the light load department? I mean it would be quite an aggrivation to have a 20 gauge gas gun that wouldn't cycle 7/8 oz loads.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:30 am 
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I would encourage you to consider a 390 or 391 series gun over the 302 or 303. The older models are not even close IMHO...

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
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The Browning B80 and the Breda Altair (from the 1980s) are identical actions, made by Beretta. Perhaps those might be a little cheaper, not having the Beretta name.

Also, the 304 model was a 2 3/4 only chambering, two shot magazine, probably the best balanced Beretta auto ever made. It came out at the same time as the 390 which had magnum capability, so the 304 never took off. Still a good auto though and probably a good deal if one turns up.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:09 am 
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DeGriz wrote:
Wow that 302 shot up quite a lot since this morning and it just started yesterday evening.


Perhaps posting the link on a public forum had something to do with that :P


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:53 am 
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krimmie wrote:
DeGriz wrote:
Wow that 302 shot up quite a lot since this morning and it just started yesterday evening.


Perhaps posting the link on a public forum had something to do with that :P


:lol: Nah I doubt that, it's Not like Gunbroker is a big secret only people who look at forums know about. But if so...that's not the point.

I posted the link just to show the style I was interested in asking about. I never really had intentions of bidding on this particular gun. Sorry if my post misled anyone, but I was just trying to educate myself through the most knowledgeable shotgun folks on the planet (SGW'ers) so that if I come across something that interests me when looking at used guns I will be armed with some idea of it's issues and what I might expect to pay. Bottom line for me is if I can't pick it up, flip it over, work the action and shoulder it I'm not buying it.

I have a tiny bit of experience with the 20 gauge 391's, I know how they feel and know how soft they shoot, I like them but I’m not just crazy about the styling compared to the 300 series.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:52 am 
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DeGriz wrote:
I have a tiny bit of experience with the 20 gauge 391's, I know how they feel and know how soft they shoot, I like them but I’m not just crazy about the styling compared to the 300 series.


Yes, they all shoot soft.

I have owned two 391s and one 390, but all I own today, are three 303s!

Should tell you how they worked out for me, and how I feel about them.

The newer models just became more troublesome and parts breakage prone.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
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DeGriz wrote:
Thanks for that other link on the 303 Seamus, I had looked at that one also but that glossy stock set is a huge turn off for me.

Is the 303 a big improvement on the 302 in the light load department? I mean it would be quite an aggrivation to have a 20 gauge gas gun that wouldn't cycle 7/8 oz loads.
Somebody who knows more about stock work than I do could tell you how to dull a stock like that. That 3" 303 would need the same barrel mod that the 302 would need - but it isn't an expensive job for a gunsmith to do. I just posted that 303 as an example of guns that are available with choke tubes and at more reasonable prices. I don't know why that 302 is going so high - the cult is actually for the 303, which usually brings more than a 302.

Mechanically, the 302 and 303 are about the same.
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I would encourage you to consider a 390 or 391 series gun over the 302 or 303. The older models are not even close IMHO...
I actually prefer the older models. I shoot competitive sporting clays with an AL-2 (US version of 301) made in 1970.

There are some disadvantages to the older models:
- lack of choke tubes (I have a 303 bbl with tubes on my AL-2)
- less flexible about handling both light and heavy loads (but most of the older ones will handle normal target and light field loads)
- prior to the 302, the bolt release button must be pushed to load the second shell (easy to get used to)

If an older models (AL-2, 301, 302, 303) suits your needs, you will find it to be lighter, slimmer, better-handling, and more reliable (yes, I said more reliable) than a newer model.

Shotgunguru wrote:
The Browning B80 and the Breda Altair (from the 1980s) are identical actions, made by Beretta. Perhaps those might be a little cheaper, not having the Beretta name.

Also, the 304 model was a 2 3/4 only chambering, two shot magazine, probably the best balanced Beretta auto ever made
IIRC, Shotgunguru is in the UK. He is absolutely correct, but both the Breda Altair and the Beretta 304 are scarcer than hen's teeth in the US. I bought the only Altair I ever saw for sale in the US (there are newer Altairs which are not clones of Berettas) and I have been searching without success for a 304.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A302 Semi Auto 1983-1987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:54 pm 
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DeGriz wrote:
Is the 303 a big improvement on the 302 in the light load department? I mean it would be quite an aggrivation to have a 20 gauge gas gun that wouldn't cycle 7/8 oz loads.


Not at all, considering the idea is use a 2-3/4 in. barrel for 2-3/4 in. loads, a 3 inch barrel for 3 inch loads. It is a simple and effective way to go.

The 390 was just an extension of the 302/303 . . . same basic action, adding the secondary gas bleed so the one barrel approach is good. Check the prices on new barrels for some models from various makers, you'll see the value of the one barrel approach.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
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I prefer the 300's to the new one and in my opinion the 390 is better than the 391.
If you get a beretta 12ga with a drop-in chokes , you can get extra chokes from "Jeff's Outfitters".
If you have a 303, keep it, it's the best semi-auto to date .
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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
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I've owned a bunch of Beretta autoloaders, all 12's. I wish I would have tried a 20 bore 391 in the mix. Betch ya' I'd still have it!

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
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I also have had all three, 303, 390 and 391s. I also now only own the 303s

My 20ga 303 with the 3" barrel (has not been altered) shoots 7/8oz target loads just fine with the exception of the el-cheapo winchester field loads. The Fed and Rem field loads run it just fine.

The 12GA works exactly the same way... light loads are not a problem unless they're the Winchesters..

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:53 am 
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The A303 youth gun comes with a 24" barrel with a 3" chamber. The one I bought for my son almost 20 years ago will cycle standard target loads. However, he never liked to shoot targets with it because he always got a sore cheek. It was fine for hunting as it is lighter than the Remington 1100 version, which he prefers for targets. I got an adult-size stock for it and a 28" fixed mod barrel for it a few years ago and it swings better, but still not as comfortable to shoot as the 1100.

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A300 Series Auto or 390/391
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Presently own a 303 in both 12 and 20. Both are Magnum models, and the 12 will cycle 1 1/8 oz trap loads flawlessly (never tried lighter loads).

I also owned a AL2 Magnum, and that would also cycle 1 1/8oz trap loads.

The gas system on these guns is very easy to understand, and maintain...

Been seeing a few of the DU 303s recently, and they are being priced north of 800.00.


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