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 Post subject: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:26 pm 
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I am still looking for a JC Higgins Model 20, 12ga. My granddad invented this shotgun and I would like one for our family because of his history. Most I have looked at have very little bluing left and the slides are worn too much. It will be used ....but we want as good an example as we can find reasonably priced.

Best to all

Frederick M Humeston
Boise Idaho




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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Have you looked on the various gun auction sites like Gun Broker or Auction Arms? By the way a J.C. Higgins Model 20 cross references to a High-Standard Model 200 that was sold starting 1971 as a promotional package. Values given are:
100%-$175, 98%-$160, 95%-$ 140, 90%-$120, 80%-$105, 70%-$95 and 60%-$90.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Thanks for the price/condition breakdown. Appreciate that. Granddad worked for Western Cartridge as well as High Standard. About the High Standard promotional package.....what was that? Also I would like to try and find the earliest JC Higgings, Model 20 in decent shape I can find. I haven't gone to the Gun Broker sites as of yet. Is it a lot of trouble buying from these sites and then getting shipping? Haven't done it before.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:09 pm 
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Is it a lot of trouble buying from these sites and then getting shipping? Haven't done it before.
No, its pretty simple. You just have to find a local FFL licensed dealer that will accept delivery and transfer it to you. My dealer charges $20 for that, some charge a little more, but don't let them charge you a whole lot - some will try to gouge you on it because they would rather you buy a gun from them - even though they don't have the one you want! Ask around, it shouldn't be hard to find a dealer.

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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:54 pm 
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Thanks for the advice..... much appreciated. I will check and see how many FFL s are in my area.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:05 pm 
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That's a good gun, congrads to your Grandad. There is usually a fair selection on Gunbroker. Hold out for one in great condition and unmodified, they don't demand a huge price.

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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:41 pm 
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My kind of folks. Wheat is planted....cattle have been moved and winter is on. I have a place on the Nez Perce Reservation.

Going to try Gun Brokers.com and see what I can find then head to the local gun emporium


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:44 am 
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Good Evening Humeston.
To answer your questions, here's what the Blue Book of Gun Values has to say about the High Standard
Model 200. 12 gauge, also sold as part of a promotional package beginning in 1971 which included the Model 200, a zippered guns, aplastic trigger lock and G-96 gun lubricant. I've already given you the values.
I doubt A J.C. Higgins Model 20 would have included these items, just the gun. And since the gun is marked J.C. Higgins, it is waht is known as a "Store Brand Name" gun. That is a gun made by a major maker for and sold by a wholesale sporting goods dealer, a retail chain store (Sears) or an independent retailer. "Store Brand Name" guns have 10 to 15 percent less value than the same identical gun with the original makers name on it.
I looked on both Gun Broker and Auction Arms to see if I could find any Model 20s up for auction. After looking through 25 pages out of 118 pages of pump action shotguns and finding no Model 20s I gave up. I thenlooked through Auction Arms and found five Model 20s for sale. Here are the auction numbers and asking or bid prices.
10644905, $145 12 gauge, 10644390,No bids yet, 20 gauge, 10653636, $150, 12 gauge, 10666072,Unknown model, $60.00 and 106455723, $42.51 bid, 12 gauge. To buy auction you have to out bid everyone else and if you win arrange to have the gun shipped to a Class 01 Federal Firearms License holder (since it is a modern firearm, less than 50 years old) who will accept it. You will have to pay the shipping cost and whatever transfer fee the FFL charges in addition to your auction bid, I wouldn't pay over $25.00 transfer fee or over $30.00 shipping.
Trivia: Sears quit selling guns in 1982.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:58 pm 
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Found a JC Higgins Model 20. Has 583.2003 on the barrel. Where can I find a manual for this? I have the exploded view from my grandfathers patent.

Thanks Mike Humeston


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:51 pm 
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Your J.C. Higgins Model 20 Sears catalog number 583.2003 is the same as a High Standard M20. The original High Standard Company went out of business in 1977. As said Sears quit selling guns in 1982. Another company took over the High Standard name. They are:
High Standard Manufacturing Company
5200 Mitchelldale Suite E 47
Houston,TX 77092
Tel: 713 462 4200
Fax: 713 681 5665
E-mail: info@highstandard.com
The only publications is that I know of is the exploded parts view What kind of manual are you looking for? Most gun makers assume that owners know enough to operate a gun.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:52 pm 
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I agree. Just got the box from the guy I bought it from and he said there had been a manual ??? with it when he bought it. Because of my grandfathers connection to this and the M1 Carbine we are trying to get as much of these items as complete as possible for the family history.

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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:41 am 
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I have an old Model 20 Sears that I've owned for nearly 40 years now. Mine has no reference of JC Higgins anywhere on it, just Sears & Roebuck.

The manual for your specific Model 20 with 583.2003 designation can be found here:
http://www.histandard.info/manuals/sears/pashotguns/1068D150R.pdf

There were a few changes in the Model 20 over it's production run. These are obvious if you look at the exploded drawings in the manuals for each of the 583.XXXX series.

It has been reported that the earliest of these guns would "slamfire", but if that was ever the case, it didn't last long....early JC Higgins manuals from the 40s state that holding the trigger back would only result in the hammer following the slide down and there are two steps on the rear of the locking slide that would cushion the hammer fall to prevent ignition if that happened, meaning you have to eject the live round to recock the action. Later models included a disconnector.

Yours (583.2003) was near the end of the production range that still used twin extractors and had a receiver mounted ejector.

On the last production runs of the Sears Model 20 (583.2006), the bolt had one extractor and one "exjector" (SIC)....a combination floating extractor/ejector mounted in the left side of the bolt.

This last version of the Sears Model 20 is the version that eventually became High Standard Model 200 or FliteKing and all of it's variations.

As far as I know, none of the Sears Model 20s had a serial number, which was not required at the time.

The Sears Model 20 with it's milled steel receiver and a heavy threaded barrel made it one of the strongest pump action shotguns made and a rear locking bolt with a recoil assisted unlocking action combined with a 3.5 inch stroke made it one of the slickest shotgun actions ever designed.

It is a true classic American shotgun...everyone should own one.
Your ancestor did good! :)


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:40 pm 
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A correction:
on checking the manuals for the Sears M20 vs later HS models, it seems both bolt versions of the Model 20 were carried over to High Standard models after the Sears M20 was discontinued.

The two different styles of Sears Model 20 bolts became two different High Standard models after 1960 when the contract with Sears ended.

The exjector bolt of the 583.2006 version became the HS Model 200 series.

The dual extractor bolt of the 583.2003 version and earlier, became the Flite King series.

http://www.histandard.info/manuals/sears/pashotguns/index.html


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:34 am 
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Frederick,

I'm not looking to sell, but my Dad has given me his model 20. It has the vent rib and Powr Pak chokes. It is in excellent condition and I do have the manuals for the gun and chokes. I would be glad to send you pictures and scans of the manuals if you'd like them He's had the gun as long as I can remember and I am 57.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:54 pm 
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I have a lightly used JC Higgins Model 20 I could sell. Two things of note. It has the stock carved with a lab retriever on one side and a rabbit on the other. The second thing is it has a Mossberg choke added. I have only fired two round through it. I would have fired more but the game warden showed up and I did not have a plug in it. Does now.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:45 pm 
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I just inherited a JC Higgins Model 20 with adjustable choke, all original with minor wear. Serial number 400128. I will sell if price is write and can provide a digital picture.


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:25 pm 
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May I suggest you either post your offer for sale on Gun Broker or one of the other gun auction sites or take the gun to a local gun shop or dealer for sale. However a local dealer will give you only 40% to 60% of retail value for the gun. After all he's in business to make a profit..


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:48 am 
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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:58 pm 
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i have that model would be interested in selling
Humeston wrote:
Hello
I am still looking for a JC Higgins Model 20, 12ga. My granddad invented this shotgun and I would like one for our family because of his history. Most I have looked at have very little bluing left and the slides are worn too much. It will be used ....but we want as good an example as we can find reasonably priced.

Best to all

Frederick M Humeston
Boise Idaho


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 Post subject: Re: JC Higgins Model 20
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:13 pm 
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If you are still looking for a J.C. Higgins Model 20 in 12 gauge, you are not looking very hard or in the right places. Go to Gun Broker,com or Gun Auction. com. Look under pump action shotguns. I found one on Gun Broker in 60 seconds flat for auction, starting price $185. the auction number is 315619486. I stopped looking at that point.




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