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 Post subject: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:07 am 
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There's a Mod. 11 in a pawn shop near me. It has the "suicide" safety located inside trigger guard. There's no crossbolt safety or locking screws, solid rib, but has a poorly fitted Browning A5 butt stock. Asking price $249.00.

When did Remington put the crossbolt safety on the model 11? This must be a very old gun.

Thanks,

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:44 pm 
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Remington Arms Co. introduced their 12-gauge, five-shot, John M. Browning designed, "Remington Autoloading Gun" in 1905. The company name was changed to Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. in 1911. Shortly after that Rem-UMC began calling that gun the Model No. 11. In 1920 the company name changed again to Remington Arms Co., Inc. Circa 1927/8 they changed the safety from the lever inside the trigger guard to a crossbolt behind the trigger.
Go and check the serial #....this list will get you in the ball park.

175X Bottom -- 1905
743X Bottom -- 1905
7149X Bottom -- 1909
7521X Bottom -- 1909
10330X Bottom -- 1911
10660X Bottom -- 1911
15240X Bottom -- 1913
18593X Bottom -- 1915
19705X Bottom -- 1917 from James Tipton's list. He says 1917 goes to 204161. The factory ledger gives 199611 as the high number on Sept. 30, 1919?!?
28865X Side -- October 1924
33571X Side -- late June 1928
76033X Side -- After WW-II, probably 1947.

For the guns made after 1921, you can look for a two- or three-letter date code on the left side of the barrel, usually between the front edge of the receiver and the choke marking. Also probably an inspector's mark or two in that area.
Here is a link for the date codes used by Remington.
http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questio ... OWDERX.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:47 pm 
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Good read. Has what you are looking for.

http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional_in ... ton_11.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:04 am 
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Mine has the early safety, and I like it. I called Remington when I got it, gave them the serial # , said it was made in 1917. good shooting old gun. Replaced recoil spring ( Numerich ). 28" mod. Shot a few rounds of trap, then rabbit hunted with it several times. bbush


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:31 pm 
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The model 11 in my post has serial # 86338. When was it made?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:45 am 
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I'd say around 1910. What is the company name on the gun? Remington Arms Co.? Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co.?


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:59 pm 
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I'm new to the forum and new to old shotguns. I'm a WWII M1 Garand and Carbine guy so this is kind of new to me.

I bought a model 11 with serial number 218992. What can you tell me about it? As near as I can make out it was made in 1922? It has checkering, slide safety with a 28" modified choke (no compensator, no rolled engravings). Looking at the date guide posted above by TuJays it looks as though the slide safety was dropped somewhere around this time frame. Is this correct? The 1920, 21, 22 and 23 dates are vague. Is this because there is no information or is the information incorrect? TIA

BTW, mcanders' link has some good information for the new Mod 11 owner :)

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:59 am 
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According to the old factory ledger that runs from the resumption of civilian production after The Great War into WW-II, serial number 218992 would have been in production in August of 1920. By July 31, 1920, serial numbers had reached 216942 and by August 31, 1920, they had reached 220832. In that era, the Model 11A "Standard" Grade still came with a plain stock and forearm. You didn't get checkering until you got to the Model 11B "Special" Grade.

On May 20, 1920, the board moved to disolve Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartirdge Co., Inc. and on May 24, 1920, a new corporation, Remington Arms Co., Inc. was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware. Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc. was offically disolved on August 11, 1920. It would be interesting to know exactly how your gun is marked being made right in this era.

The new improved Model 11 with the crossbolt safety was announced in April 1928.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Wow! Ask and ye shall receive! Thank you so much. I guess my research was off and I'm glad it was. When it arrives I will sit down and take detailed photos of it. BTW I gave $160.00 for it. Someone added a recoil pad and the stock has a small crack at the tang. I am not too convinced someone added the stock checkering but since I don't know for sure I can't say. I don't think I got taken. Here are a few of photos of it:

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:20 pm 
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I'll guarantee that is not Remington factory checkering.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:25 pm 
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Okay, again, I really don't know so I'll take your word for it. I'm just happy to ave been able to get it. I've been looking for a long while. I would like to go back to the correct wood. Thanks for the fast reply.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:26 pm 
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Researcher01, what else do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: Remington Model 11
PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:11 pm 
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Researcher01 - I just got a Model 11 that may answer your question! (Or provide more questions)

The serial number is 25957X, corresponding to July, 1923:
(http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/FR09)

and the code on the barrel is XR, corresponding to December, 1924:
(http://www.rc-trucks.org/remington-fire ... umbers.htm)

The barrel says "The Remington Arms Union Metallic CTG Co," the trigger guard is stamped with a "Remington UMC" trademark, and the top of the receiver has a "Remington" trademark with the current logo font. Have they used that logo since the beginning?

Maybe they didn't think to change out the stamps for the older models when they switched names. Any thoughts?




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